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Captain
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,416
# 11
12-07-2012, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by paxottoman View Post
You're not an exploiter Zorandra...

I got your back.
if only people believed that when i say it...
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Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
Science pvp at its best-http://www.youtube.com/user/matteo716
Do you even Science Bro?
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 434
# 12
12-07-2012, 10:24 AM
Things were always pretty far from perfect but its getting so silly anymore that the few folks who actually do fly clean are almost instantly overshadowed by the rest of the nonsense around them. All of this new stuff could have been fun and interesting without hurting PvP but they chose not to invest the effort into doing it well.

I don't harbor any serious resentment against anyone. I just can't understand the appeal of resorting to the kinds of things that cryptic has unleashed on PvP. We need more people to play if we want any attention but we keep piling on the crap that creates the attitudes that chases them away.

There was a time when I'd run at minimum the PvP dailies on 5 different toons a day. Now I take breaks from PvP regularly and each one seems to last longer than the last. I'd love to PvP like I used to but I don't like the way it makes me feel about some people out there. So I try to stay out of it... Mostly.
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Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 13
12-07-2012, 06:26 PM
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Personally, I pride myself on not getting caught-up in that kind to unnecessary chest thumping.

It's the humble guys/ gals that blow me apart in seconds that impress me. When I see them doing it consistently without the need to be known, I see the glimmer of the true magic of PvP at its raw potential.


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Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 14
12-07-2012, 10:21 PM
I hate to say it but I just do not see a probable solution to the 'balance' issue anytime soon from cryptic. The only true reasonable way they could balance pvp and pve would be to have separate mechanics where specific consoles/etc operated differently than they do in PvE. Wait a second, they already tried that with the skill tree revamp and then borderline ignored it after.

But their is hope, the grassroots community push that I see happening on these boards with the tournaments, leagues, and bootcamp that are being attempted are the best hope for a good times pvp so to speak. Sadly the amount of ... infighting within those attempts may just doom them.

It saddens me. It seems that our cultures have changed to the point that we demand everything be 100% the way we want it and we lack the capability to simply appoint and entrust a leader to make the right call even in a video game. Even if we disagree with one decision out of ten from our leaders we find it unacceptable and create confrontation.

I guess what I'm trying to say is even if the league says 'no tric mines' but you think there is nothing wrong with them, or if they say 'anti-matter spread console is fair' and you think it isn't, don't let that single disagreement sabotage the entire attempt. Cryptic has already proven themselves incapable of setting the rules someone else must be entrusted to create new ones.

Its late and I"m rambling incoherently apologies.
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# 15
12-08-2012, 10:40 AM
Speak for yourself Z, i'm never the first to hear about exploits, but you hear how. You're saying temptation is hard and sometimes we all all fall pray? Nope, on your own there.

Although, being able to switch faction when the klingons are in minority to bring balance to Kerrat? Put the cuffs on i'll go quietly!
Career Officer
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# 16
12-09-2012, 03:54 AM
I agree Zorena. We can try, but we have tried - and it didn't work out. I remember tournaments breaking apart because people suddenly turned out not to agree witht he rules anymore, claiming that fleet X was just rigging the rules in its favour, and stuff like that.

Try to be the best player you can be, be excellent to others - that's the only thing you can both demand and fulfill yourself.

Anything else is out of your control. And a large part is in control of Cryptic's development team.

Mustrum "CYA - probably b*tching about moaning about weapon balance in Mechwarrior Online" Ridcully
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 249
# 17
12-09-2012, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by aquitaine985 View Post
Speak for yourself Z, i'm never the first to hear about exploits, but you hear how. You're saying temptation is hard and sometimes we all all fall pray? Nope, on your own there.
No you clearly do not understand, I was playing a tactical character (Zorena) and all my +damage modifier skills (Attack pattern alpha, Go down fighting and Tactical fleet had a buff to + all damage resist and science skills), It wasn't even about trying to use it as much as possible it was just something that everyone had to do.

Exploits or whatever you called it, it was in the game everyone had to use their captain buffs surely, some people didn't know what they did in full but that isn't my fault.
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Captain
Join Date: Nov 2012
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# 18
12-09-2012, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by mustrumridcully0 View Post
I agree Zorena. We can try, but we have tried - and it didn't work out. I remember tournaments breaking apart because people suddenly turned out not to agree witht he rules anymore, claiming that fleet X was just rigging the rules in its favour, and stuff like that.
i remember thats basically what happend after the "tsi funday".

extend shields up until that point was just thought to be aminor annoyance. then when tsi ran a team using it on every ship, it was then said that using extend shields was bad.

but like i said, up until that point it was just an annoyance.

then since that time, every time a funday has been tried that ONE issue is brought up and the thing falls apart.
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Originally Posted by mancom View Post
Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
Science pvp at its best-http://www.youtube.com/user/matteo716
Do you even Science Bro?
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,325
# 19
12-09-2012, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by zorandra View Post
No you clearly do not understand, I was playing a tactical character (Zorena) and all my +damage modifier skills (Attack pattern alpha, Go down fighting and Tactical fleet had a buff to + all damage resist and science skills), It wasn't even about trying to use it as much as possible it was just something that everyone had to do.

Exploits or whatever you called it, it was in the game everyone had to use their captain buffs surely, some people didn't know what they did in full but that isn't my fault.
No no you misunderstand, I didn't mean "you" as in your own person, I mean "you" as in the generic PVPer
Lieutenant
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 64
# 20
12-09-2012, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by maicake716 View Post
i remember thats basically what happend after the "tsi funday".

extend shields up until that point was just thought to be aminor annoyance. then when tsi ran a team using it on every ship, it was then said that using extend shields was bad.

but like i said, up until that point it was just an annoyance.

then since that time, every time a funday has been tried that ONE issue is brought up and the thing falls apart.
Just realized the reason you guys bring so much cheese is to go with all this whine...

You guys had a brilliant idea with the extend escort team. What you fail to realize which others have pointed out is that people that put on an event should not also play in that event. If they win the event, **** is almost always going to fly. I was grateful you guys were putting those event together and wish the community would support more fundays, even if you guys play in them. When you win your own event though, please don't be so shocked that people are going to cry foul. Ego will always look for something to blame, and winning the event your running and making rules for makes it so easy to point fingers.
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