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# 21
12-09-2012, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by grindsmygears1 View Post
Just realized the reason you guys bring so much cheese is to go with all this whine...

You guys had a brilliant idea with the extend escort team. What you fail to realize which others have pointed out is that people that put on an event should not also play in that event. If they win the event, **** is almost always going to fly. I was grateful you guys were putting those event together and wish the community would support more fundays, even if you guys play in them. When you win your own event though, please don't be so shocked that people are going to cry foul. Ego will always look for something to blame, and winning the event your running and making rules for makes it so easy to point fingers.
Maybe it would help if people wouldn't always assume malevolence rather than ignorance first, so if something seems "rigged", maybe it was just because no one had tried it before?

And considering the small number of teams that were in that tournament, I do not think it would exactly help tournaments if the organizers are not allowed in it.

There was just too much whining going on there, and going by that experience, that will not change by a miracle just because we all hold hands together in some thread and promise to get better. It will only be fixed if the game mechanics, including all powers, cosnoles ships and skills are designed for PvP competition and balance. Since that will never happen, you can only hope that the next community tournament will only break apart after the last match. It will make things feel bitter afterwards, but at least it was fun while it lasted.

But Cryptic seems to have figured out that there is no money to be made with PvP - at least not with balanced PvP. Too much work, too little gain. If their observation is true, that's a shame, but it is what it is.
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# 22
12-09-2012, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by grindsmygears1 View Post
Just realized the reason you guys bring so much cheese is to go with all this whine...

You guys had a brilliant idea with the extend escort team. What you fail to realize which others have pointed out is that people that put on an event should not also play in that event. If they win the event, **** is almost always going to fly. I was grateful you guys were putting those event together and wish the community would support more fundays, even if you guys play in them. When you win your own event though, please don't be so shocked that people are going to cry foul. Ego will always look for something to blame, and winning the event your running and making rules for makes it so easy to point fingers.
it was labled "tsi funday" because i was lazy in being creative.

i personally didnt take part in the event, and neither did zorena (if i recall correctly) we flew and filmed and recored.

i had no knowledge of anyones team set up until the day of the event (i know who was on the teams in what ships but not what they were using)

i know that now but when ive even tried to hold just a "funday" event that extend shields thing was brought up and i cancelled the event because lets face it, im human and it actually hurt that people think I stacked it somehow.

maybe ill toss together a funday event after the new year but i dont know. the last one almost went through until crytpic threw a major wrench into the works the day before the event was to happen.

the point being is that it flat out sucks that any event that i try to hold will always be seen as a "tsi" event even when i clearly state i sever myself from tsi for the duration of the event. i mean, what else really can i do?

the rules for the event were also an experiment. we learned that without Scramble sensors being allowed to be taken there was no need for multiple science teams on a team because there could only be 2 sci captains. so 2 sci teams at the most to deal with 2 sub nukes. that led to a whole lot of engineering teams and tactical teams being used.

cause and effect. ban one of the bo powers and the entire dynamic changes. we learned that. thats also why there was so much extend shields, there was a limit to the number of shockwaves so you knew that you had a window to operate from and could overwhelm the counters to it.

the second funday was made into something different by qew because they didnt like the idea of ship restrictions (even though we had them on ventrillo to hash out the ship restrictions). that kind of hurt when after they gave their input and it was listened too they decided it wasnt good enough and flat out said no. so i turned the day over to them and they held their own event (which was completely different from the funday)

and the only way i can see holding a funday now would be to say- no consoles and no ship higher then teir 3.

but even then i'm sure ways could be found around even that to make the game miserable for some.
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Frankly, I think the only sound advice that one can give new players at this time is to stay away from PVP in STO.
Science pvp at its best-http://www.youtube.com/user/matteo716
Do you even Science Bro?

Last edited by maicake716; 12-09-2012 at 11:28 AM.
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# 23
12-09-2012, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by mustrumridcully0 View Post

And considering the small number of teams that were in that tournament, I do not think it would exactly help tournaments if the organizers are not allowed in it.

well this tournament proved that it sure didn't help it to allow it. I played a lot of competitive paintball, and I know that when our field put on events, it would have never worked for us to field a team in the very event we're running. It may be received well at first, but if won the tournament we'd never get a good turnout again.

There was just too much whining going on there, and going by that experience, that will not change by a miracle just because we all hold hands together in some thread and promise to get better. It will only be fixed if the game mechanics, including all powers, cosnoles ships and skills are designed for PvP competition and balance. Since that will never happen, you can only hope that the next community tournament will only break apart after the last match. It will make things feel bitter afterwards, but at least it was fun while it lasted.

its pvp. Pvp=too much ego. Doesn't matter how balanced a game is, people will always try to find excuses as to why they lost. In another game I'm playing that is way more balanced than this game is, I've been leveling up a new "vehicle". Well a new device i had no idea about came out that happens to work in this vehicle. All of a sudden I'm being called a fotm'er even though I've been leveling this vehicle for the last two weeks and wrecking people with it. When I explained that I've had been running this before they announced the release of this device, I was called a liar. Ego>reason in a pvp oriented game. You know why people like bigredjedi stand out in a sea of other garbage in these threads? Lack of ego in a sea of it.

But Cryptic seems to have figured out that there is no money to be made with PvP - at least not with balanced PvP. Too much work, too little gain. If their observation is true, that's a shame, but it is what it is.
Pvp works gain<p2w gain I think is more accurate. There are plenty of pvp games out there that aren't perfect, but are pretty well balanced and continue to work to that end while introducing new balanced aspects to the games dynamics. These games are doing well and games like wot are even expanding into planes and battleships.
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