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Hey everyone,

I've just recently returned to playing my Klingon player after a roughly 2-year absence (I only came back to do the mission to claim the free Bortasque Prototype and forgot to even complete THAT ), but now with a mirror of my local Fed fleet up an running Klink-side I think I'm ready to take the Empire a tad more seriously.

Of course, "seriously" is a relative term in this case as my only KDF character so far (Borg Klingon Engineer, might restart as a Tac) is just Level 26 (with daily logons to farm Winter goodies), so it will be a while yet before I do anything requiring a reasonable amount of thought.

Right now I've got a Norgh BoP (standard) and a Qorgh Raptor in my selection, and as a Lifetimer I've also got access to the Peghqu' Destroyer (the Chimera equivalent), but obviously I won't have my mitts on it until I actually reach Lt. General rank. So far I'm liking the BoP more than the Raptor (which doesn't "feel" as agile as even my Vesta).

In the meantime any advice on from veterans of the Empire as to which ships to stick with and/or spend some cash on would be welcome. Would you consider spending some Zen on the Norgh refit for the skin and Quad cannons a worthy endeavor? For the record I don't do PVP, though I may take it up a little bit since I've heard that's what the KDF's all about.

Also, can the skins from the different BoPs (like the Ning'Tao, Kitang, etc.) be applied to ships like the Heghta? What do you think of the HohSus? Is there a point to buying the low-level BoPs like the QulDun?

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm trying to avoid dishonor
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# 2
12-10-2012, 11:50 PM
My only advice: Be prepared to live with disappointment and a retirement farming contraband.
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# 3
12-11-2012, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by unangbangkay View Post
Hey everyone,

I've just recently returned to playing my Klingon player after a roughly 2-year absence (I only came back to do the mission to claim the free Bortasque Prototype and forgot to even complete THAT ), but now with a mirror of my local Fed fleet up an running Klink-side I think I'm ready to take the Empire a tad more seriously.

Of course, "seriously" is a relative term in this case as my only KDF character so far (Borg Klingon Engineer, might restart as a Tac) is just Level 26 (with daily logons to farm Winter goodies), so it will be a while yet before I do anything requiring a reasonable amount of thought.

Right now I've got a Norgh BoP (standard) and a Qorgh Raptor in my selection, and as a Lifetimer I've also got access to the Peghqu' Destroyer (the Chimera equivalent), but obviously I won't have my mitts on it until I actually reach Lt. General rank. So far I'm liking the BoP more than the Raptor (which doesn't "feel" as agile as even my Vesta).

In the meantime any advice on from veterans of the Empire as to which ships to stick with and/or spend some cash on would be welcome. Would you consider spending some Zen on the Norgh refit for the skin and Quad cannons a worthy endeavor? For the record I don't do PVP, though I may take it up a little bit since I've heard that's what the KDF's all about.

Also, can the skins from the different BoPs (like the Ning'Tao, Kitang, etc.) be applied to ships like the Heghta? What do you think of the HohSus? Is there a point to buying the low-level BoPs like the QulDun?

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm trying to avoid dishonor
don't bother with a BoP lower than your Norgh-there isn't any reason to use them. The Hegh'ta (presently) has two skins stock-the "Haj" and "Hegh'ta" wrappers, and of the two, I find the Haj skin a better looking model (but your tastes may vary).

If you stick with BoPs, the c-store skins can be used to mix and match. On MY norgh, I kept the appearance fairly 'stock norgh" rather than using the Ningtao skin I purchased (note that the Ningtao from the C-store DOES come with one more console slot, so if you buy in, you won't be doing yourself a disservice to use it with the stock Norgh body-panels...at least until you hit Captaincy.)

At Captain rank, if you stay with BoPs, and spend teh ten bucks for the Chi'tang (mostly for the console) you can adjust the appearance piecemeal (I ran the hull and wings of the Ch'tang variant with the neck and saucer section of the Ki'tang, looks mean that way-meaner than the other way even...those 'bent wings' on a long-necked bird really set off the looks something fierce!)

it sounds from your original post like you're a "BoP" kind of player-lots of turn and manuever, not so impressed with gun-count or tankability. IF this is the case, you're in luck-the base model BoP types have a lot to offer all the way up the chain for a player willing to invest some time and effort mastering the art of the Battlecloak, breaking holds and executing resists, and of course, alpha-striking the crap out of someone as you decloak.
"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."

I play KDF, because being a genocidal maniac works better with Klingons, than explaining it as a member of Starfleet.
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# 4
12-12-2012, 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickngo View Post
don't bother with a BoP lower than your Norgh-there isn't any reason to use them. The Hegh'ta (presently) has two skins stock-the "Haj" and "Hegh'ta" wrappers, and of the two, I find the Haj skin a better looking model (but your tastes may vary).

If you stick with BoPs, the c-store skins can be used to mix and match. On MY norgh, I kept the appearance fairly 'stock norgh" rather than using the Ningtao skin I purchased (note that the Ningtao from the C-store DOES come with one more console slot, so if you buy in, you won't be doing yourself a disservice to use it with the stock Norgh body-panels...at least until you hit Captaincy.)

At Captain rank, if you stay with BoPs, and spend teh ten bucks for the Chi'tang (mostly for the console) you can adjust the appearance piecemeal (I ran the hull and wings of the Ch'tang variant with the neck and saucer section of the Ki'tang, looks mean that way-meaner than the other way even...those 'bent wings' on a long-necked bird really set off the looks something fierce!)

it sounds from your original post like you're a "BoP" kind of player-lots of turn and manuever, not so impressed with gun-count or tankability. IF this is the case, you're in luck-the base model BoP types have a lot to offer all the way up the chain for a player willing to invest some time and effort mastering the art of the Battlecloak, breaking holds and executing resists, and of course, alpha-striking the crap out of someone as you decloak.
It's not so much that I'm a BoP player (though I usually do my best work in Escorts) as I'm looking for a different experience than what I get in my Fed Side ships, and in this case that's going for BoPs and carriers (though I recently purchased an Atrox).

On paper the Raptor looks like a regular ol' Escort (though I'll likely use my Lifetimer Destroyer a bit) and the Battlecruiser is, well, a cruiser, and if there's any type of ship that I have yet to get along with in STO, it's them (the heavier varieties at least).

Anyway, I'm glad to know that spending money on BoPs will net me some returns in the customization department, so that's definitely a plus.
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# 5
12-12-2012, 01:17 AM
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Originally Posted by unangbangkay View Post
It's not so much that I'm a BoP player (though I usually do my best work in Escorts) as I'm looking for a different experience than what I get in my Fed Side ships, and in this case that's going for BoPs and carriers (though I recently purchased an Atrox).

On paper the Raptor looks like a regular ol' Escort (though I'll likely use my Lifetimer Destroyer a bit) and the Battlecruiser is, well, a cruiser, and if there's any type of ship that I have yet to get along with in STO, it's them (the heavier varieties at least).

Anyway, I'm glad to know that spending money on BoPs will net me some returns in the customization department, so that's definitely a plus.
A raptor's a 'Plain old escort" with a gimped turn-the rate numerically is roughly equal to a fedScort, but the point where it pivots during a turn, the "Fulcrum" of the turn, gives it handling like a fast cruiser instead of a fast escort-which is a long standing problem Cryptic has refused to address since the release of the type/class.

Really, if you think of a Raptor as a "Fast, light Cruiser with heavy guns" you're a lot closer to how it performs than trying to run it as a gun-ship/frigate (aka "Escort").

With very few exceptions, KDF Battlecruisers handle like Fed Science ships, but with DHC's , thinner shields, and no sci powers. The Tor'Kaht (admittedly a fleet vessel) has a rep as "The biggest ESCORT in the game" for a reason, and the Vor'cha tends to (one on one) do unconscionable things to Federation Cruisers with it's turn rate and ability to apply firepower.

But yeah, BoPs are pretty unique. I use the automobile analogy-

Fed Cruisers are SUV's,

KDF Cruisers are "Muscle Cars" (those big, big-engined saturday night light-to-light drag racers from the early sixties, ro the full-size "Power sedans", Aussie Falcons or American GTO...) Except the Bortasque, which is a city bus with flat tyres and bad brakes.

Fed Sci-ships are your basic import station-wagon...

Fed Escorts are your german BMW's and Mercedes sport-coupes, or "Hot Hatchbacks" like the Golf GTI.

Raptors are "Pony Cars"-Smaller versions of the american "Muscle Cars"-the Mustang, Camaro, Cortina Sport...

Bird of Prey? is a MOTORCYCLE. Big ones like the Hegh'ta are like a Harley or the heavier Triumph bikes, midsize are like the old BSA or Mid-price Japanese bikes, and the small ones, like the Norgh, are CAFE racers.
"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."

I play KDF, because being a genocidal maniac works better with Klingons, than explaining it as a member of Starfleet.
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# 6
12-12-2012, 01:30 AM
Don't die.

It really put's a cramp in your day.
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# 7
12-12-2012, 02:12 AM
I would personally suggest you avoid buying the lower tiered c-store ships unless you REALLY want the special console.

From my personal experience, I vastly prefer using either the BOP's or the battlecruisers for leveling up. And no, the battlecruisers aren't really the same as fed cruisers, due to the ability to mount DHC's and innate weapon power bonus and better turn rate.

That said, I'd suggest re-rolling to a tac to get the most out of your experience, no matter which ship you choose. The extra dps is awesome.

Ship skins are only interchangeable within the same tier, as far as I know. The ning'tao skin won't work with the hegh'ta.

If you really feel like spending money, the quad cannons and the plasmonic leech consoles are helpful for most ships; the former mainly for leveling and/or aesthetics.
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