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# 41
12-11-2012, 09:51 AM
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dude just take a second. got take ur meds and calm down.
So now you want me to be REALLY Angry at you?

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its not the end of the world. I for one was actually surprised when they announced dr. marcus, since that woman looks alot like the the dr lady from the gary mitchel episode.
who is also older

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forgive me but i can never stay awake long enough to watch most of TOS. just because Its marcus doesnt mean that we r looking at Khan either. because kirk and Marcus had a relationship b4 khan, even though they didnt show it. They gotta make David somehow. so naturally it would need to b when they were younger. So take a breath. sit back and just wait till May when all of our suspicions and theories will either b proven or disproven.
Happily thats now impossible
David will never be born
Genesis will never exist

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I for one look forward to this ST. Abrams brought life back to a dieing franchise. After the bitter disappointment that was Nemesis and Enterprise. ST needed a new perspective. An alternate universe is good then.
No he kicked a wounded one until it was bleeding


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What, you don't think Marcus would look a bit sexier when she was thirty years younger than in TWOK?
NO to be honest
as a slasherette she just looks like all other slasherettes

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its a broken timeline which needs sealing
this is EXACTLY what the Wells ship was built for

Except it's not a broken timeline. It's a new parallel universe that's identical to the original up till 2233.
when it ENDS
with the destruction of the timeline

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Whether you liked the movie or not, it saved the franchise. Period.
The film made less money than the DVD of TOS
so saved not so much

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Q transcends the timeline though lol. They're omnipotent after all; being a child is the same thing as appearing as one to them
he is not omnipotent Omnipresent or omnicognicent
he is merely an annoyance
but as a cute child he would be slightly more believable


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The 'entire planet' lost was in JJ's timeline, not the Prime one
Wrong

JJ killed Two planets
one in each Verse


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And so every series that has multiple timelines are broken too? Remember in TNG, they had a quantum issue, which had multiple Enterprise-D's show up, from many timelines? JJ's Trek is nothing new, just an addition to the list of timelines
Laws of Trek
Multiple timelines always collapse into the prime line
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# 42
12-11-2012, 09:51 AM
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The 'entire planet' lost was in JJ's timeline, not the Prime one
I think solivax was talking about Romulus.

EDIT: Ninja'd by solivax. See my next post.
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# 43
12-11-2012, 09:57 AM
Sollvax, now I think you're arguing a lost cause here.

You have your opinion, we get that. But you keep taking things out of ST's context, and using them to tear down this film, simply because you don't like it. You have some good points (such as two planets, one from each timeline), but mostly they're buried in the sheer twisting of words you do.

And you're refusing to answer or acknowledge any intelligent logic used against you. That's not a good indicator of your intelligence or frame of mind, and I'll leave it at that.

So I'll say this: ST2009 drew a lot of interest to ST, and that's a good thing. Period
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# 44
12-11-2012, 09:58 AM
It's Decker finally come to seek his revenge on Kirk from taking the Enterprise away from him lol
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# 45
12-11-2012, 10:02 AM
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vax, now I think you're arguing a lost cause here.

Yep as some people still argue the Earth isn't flat and some argue that global warming is not caused by flatulent cows in devon


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You have your opinion, we get that. But you keep taking things out of ST's context, and using them to tear down this film, simply because you don't like it. You have some good points (such as two planets, one from each timeline), but mostly they're buried in the sheer twisting of words you do.
JJ is incompetent
he has destroyed something precious to those of us who were there from the start

Example for Americans He has rewritten the constitution into "rap speak"
Example for Europeans he has taken shakespeare and made all the characters talk with a German accent and wear high heels

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And you're refusing to answer or acknowledge any intelligent logic used against you. That's not a good indicator of your intelligence or frame of mind, and I'll leave it at that.
Logic??
Someone called me a Drug monkey

There is no logic in a change in time making EVERYONE younger and blonder

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So I'll say this: this film drew interest to ST, and that's a good thing. Period
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and then sent it away again

as the new hobbit film will destroy the book for entire generations of youngsters
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# 46
12-11-2012, 10:02 AM
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Happily thats now impossible
David will never be born
Genesis will never exist
Says who?

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No he kicked a wounded one until it was bleeding
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The film made less money than the DVD of TOS
so saved not so much
He revived interest in a franchise that had laid dormant for seven years, something unheard of since TNG's premier. Millions of people watched the Abrams movie, many of whom are now devoted fans of TOS, TNG, and the others.

Even if you dispute that it was a commercial success, it made the franchise accessible again.

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when it ENDS
with the destruction of the timeline
That...doesn't make any sense.

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he is not omnipotent Omnipresent or omnicognicent
he is merely an annoyance
He has his moments. I enjoyed him in "All Good Things..."

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Laws of Trek
Multiple timelines always collapse into the prime line
Never heard of it.
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# 47
12-11-2012, 10:05 AM
sollvax, you're still doing it

And your answer that The Hobbit will destroy the book for generations of readers is pretty telling... The Lord of the Rings films were an overwhelming success, both to critics and fans (except for the smallest of snippets), and you imply it's a failure XD You're a pretty good T
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# 48
12-11-2012, 10:07 AM
I'm suddenly reminded of this:

http://youtu.be/02LgdXVkXgM

Seriously though, if you dont like what JJ is doing, dont watch it. However the 09 movie was the highest grossing of all the Trek movies:

http://boxofficemojo.com/franchises/...d=startrek.htm

What that means is more people liked it than didnt like it. And as Spock said, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few

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# 49
12-11-2012, 10:13 AM
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Happily thats now impossible
David will never be born
Genesis will never exist

Says who?
JJ
He will not allow Kirk to become a Daddy it would ruin his edgy "metro" appeal



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He revived interest in a franchise that had laid dormant for seven years, something unheard of since TNG's premier. Millions of people watched the Abrams movie, many of whom are now devoted fans of TOS, TNG, and the others.
yes and they HATED it in many cases
I know people who took their kids to it hoping to make them trekies and then went home and threw away their collections of memorabilia

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Even if you dispute that it was a commercial success, it made the franchise accessible again.
it made less than $2 on the $1 (so hollywood wisdom calls it a flop)
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when it ENDS
with the destruction of the timeline

That...doesn't make any sense.
Any time line that is disrupted eventually collapses

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he is not omnipotent Omnipresent or omnicognicent
he is merely an annoyance

He has his moments. I enjoyed him in "All Good Things..."
he is number three on my "characters who need to die forever " list

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Laws of Trek
Multiple timelines always collapse into the prime line

Never heard of it.
there are certain laws of trek
Example beautiful women ALWAYS fall for the handsome hero
Someone on a landing party always violates the religious taboo Etc


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sollvax, you're still doing it

And your answer that The Hobbit will destroy the book for generations of readers is pretty telling... The Lord of the Rings films were a success, and you're implying they're a failure
Have you got the book??

if so please re-read it and tell me where in it you find
"im not sure its a sword exactly more of a letter opener"
Radagast appearing other than a mention
The Great Goblin being the size of a troll
ANY of the Dwarves being a "warrior hero" they are coal miners
A quest to reclaim the homeland? its a burglary

and thats all from one trailer
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# 50
12-11-2012, 10:16 AM
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Have you got the book??

if so please re-read it and tell me where in it you find
"im not sure its a sword exactly more of a letter opener"
Radagast appearing other than a mention
The Great Goblin being the size of a troll
ANY of the Dwarves being a "warrior hero" they are coal miners
A quest to reclaim the homeland? its a burglary

and thats all from one trailer
Sollvax, for God's sake, the one law of book-to-movie transtitions is that they're NEVER the exact same. Books aren't naturally suited to the big screen; that's why they make changes.

And it's one trailer, not the whole movie; you can't make assumptions this early. For the Hobbit or Into Darkness

And I know a person who's the BIGGEST fan of the Lord of the Rings you could find. She saw the films, and thought they were so well done, she couldn't read the books without imagining the film's potrayal of them... THAT's how good it was. She thinks the film is ten times better, in other words

And 2$ to the 1$? How is 384mil total less than double 150mil? (And don't tell me you only count domestic, because that's just plain idiotic)
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