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# 111
12-11-2012, 04:35 PM
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And Pike specifically said they can be an officier in 4 years (and have their own ship in 8), while Kirk boasted he'd do it in 3, which he did He's under the official grade, for sure, but his talent proved enough to fill that gap

Helping save the Federation probably had a hand in it too*

Isn't the point of any fiction to do things that wouldn't happen in the real world?
Within reason

A bit like in Voyage Home, Kirk was demoted as 'punishment', despite saving the world...
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# 112
12-11-2012, 04:37 PM
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I agree, and I'm pretty sure the deviant demi-god picking on random Captains falls into the "completely implausible" category. Yet that is a continous theme in TNG, and fans arent mad about that. So my point is once again, realism isnt a central theme in Trek.
The demi-god motif might have been recurring, but it was hardly the continuous theme of TNG and onwards... Q's shenanigans were used as he was a popular character, but they hardly defined all plots
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# 113
12-11-2012, 04:52 PM
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The demi-god motif might have been recurring, but it was hardly the continuous theme of TNG and onwards... Q's shenanigans were used as he was a popular character, but they hardly defined all plots
I said A recurring theme, not THE central theme
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# 114
12-11-2012, 04:55 PM
Mc Coy was a Doctor Before joining starfleet He was also married and divorced

The Ranking officer aboard enterprise (that we see) is scotty
Almost everyone else is a cadet or medically imcompetent
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# 115
12-11-2012, 05:00 PM
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I said A recurring theme, not THE central theme
Well, you did say:

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Yet that is a continous theme in TNG
'continuous' implies that it was either continually ongoing, or often repeated thematically [if not necessarily within a continuous story arc] rather than simply recurring from time to time
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# 116
12-11-2012, 05:02 PM
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Mc Coy was a Doctor Before joining starfleet He was also married and divorced

The Ranking officer aboard enterprise (that we see) is scotty
Almost everyone else is a cadet or medically imcompetent
With the exception of Vulcan Fever Uhura, yup...
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# 117
12-11-2012, 05:05 PM
Hmm mad evil demi gods in trek

TOS

The squire
the metrons
the organians
Gary mitchell
Im sure I missed a couple

TNG
Q
Some mad woman pretending to be the devil
A Long dead queen/goddess who possessed data
several more

DS9
Q (again)
Pah wraiths
Another (different) Q

Voyager

the care taker
Lots and lots of Q

there are a fair few
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# 118
12-11-2012, 05:18 PM
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Hmm mad evil demi gods in trek

TOS

The squire
the metrons
the organians
Gary mitchell
Im sure I missed a couple

TNG
Q
Some mad woman pretending to be the devil
A Long dead queen/goddess who possessed data
several more

DS9
Q (again)
Pah wraiths
Another (different) Q

Voyager

the care taker
Lots and lots of Q

there are a fair few
So that's about 5-6 per series... Given the themes covered in the other episodes, it's hardly the continuous theme
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# 119
12-11-2012, 05:23 PM
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Well, you did say:

'continuous' implies that it was either continually ongoing, or often repeated thematically [if not necessarily within a continuous story arc] rather than simply recurring from time to time
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So that's about 5-6 per series... Given the themes covered in the other episodes, it's hardly the continuous theme
Yes, precisely as I said. The deviant demi-god was a recurring theme in Trek, though I never said it was the central theme of the show. And 5-6 per series does not mean 5-6 appearances. Q appeared much more than 5 or 6 times.

I'm not sure if you are trying to play semantical games or not, but once more for emphasis, I never said it was the central theme of Trek or any Trek series, simply something that kept happening and goes to show realism is not a big priority in Trek.
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# 120
12-11-2012, 05:25 PM
its a "law of Trek"
Along with the one about

"Transporters will fail or be unusable when a vital crew member needs to be on the planet/ship to save the day"

and of course
"The Engines canna take it "
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