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# 31
12-05-2012, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by humblesheep View Post
I love my bug.

Im just off to try out the new console I bought 2 days ago.
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# 32
12-05-2012, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by humblesheep View Post
You might be right that the dilithium requirements may not be that bad, but I dont see it myself, 20, 30, 40 or 50k an item (excuse me for not knowing the exact prices) is still a lot, for casual players anyway, and up to Season 7, they were free.
MACO/Omega/KDF MK X = 3,500 dilith (each piece)
MACO/Omega/KDF MK XI = 5,500 dilith (each piece)

I don't know where you are getting those numbers.

I got my numbers directly from the system.

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Yes you can, and I have. The trouble is, Lt Feras doffs seem to have been particularly chosen for their mediocrity. I still end up on the exchange looking for doffs most of the time. And remember you have been playing for a year, new players have a much harder struggle to learn the system. My new toons start off well, mainly because my existing toons can sub them some good doffs, someone new to the game cant do that unless they are in a very kind fleet.
I don't know what game you are playing, but the ones I get from Ferra are very-very good in quality.

Did you complete a whole duty officer commendation series? After I completed all of the diplomatic duty officer ranks, Ferra started to give me some really nice duty officers. You just have to know how to use the officers.

You can also get higher ranked duty officers from the fleet store. Instead of paying for them with energy credits and dilithium, you can now buy duty officers with fleet credits.

Last edited by linyive; 12-05-2012 at 12:38 PM.
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# 33
12-05-2012, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dariusmajere View Post
Love my Steam Runner and My Armitage. I am Primarily Escort Pilot with the flip side Carrier pilot.
I use the console on the steamrunner on my bug (helps the team in stfs abit).Id use the steamrunner because it has good stats but it is ugly .I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder but that thing is ugly ugly ugly ugly .....
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# 34
12-05-2012, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by glassguitar;6942621 STFs are faceroll easy with crappy gear [I
as long as you actually know how to play your toon in a teamwork setting[/i]

Which, having soloed to lv50, the average f2p player..... not so much.

Or if you don't have much experience with team-coordination online MP games. /shrug

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MACO/Omega/KDF MK X = 3,500 dilith (each piece)
MACO/Omega/KDF MK XI = 5,500 dilith (each piece)

I don't know where you are getting those numbers.

I got my numbers directly from the system.
Just unlocked my first Romulan Tier 1 store today, Mk XI pistols. 11k dil each. Ooh. Aah.



(personally, I don't cap my daily dil, across hours of play. No STFs, so the dil is mostly coming from 45 minutes of Strange New Worlds, daily Academy test, sometimes the Academy event if I can stomach it, and mostly-non-crit doff assignments. Oh, and mining. Total, less than 100k dil since I started playing. And I blew a chunk of that on zen. Finally found my way to Defera, so I've got a whole ~90 omega marks. Definitely not cashing those in for dil any time soon.)

Last edited by kiralyn; 12-06-2012 at 05:47 AM.
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# 35
12-06-2012, 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by linyive View Post
I don't know where you are getting those numbers.

I got my numbers directly from the system..
Well my console was 15K, Green Scorpions are 15K, Borg Set (14+14+14+15) used to be 0 and about 15+1 missions, and I am only at T2. Guess I am assuming T3,4,5 will be more expensive.

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Originally Posted by linyive View Post
I don't know what game you are playing, but the ones I get from Ferra are very-very good in quality.

Did you complete a whole duty officer commendation series? After I completed all of the diplomatic duty officer ranks, Ferra started to give me some really nice duty officers. You just have to know how to use the officers.

You can also get higher ranked duty officers from the fleet store. Instead of paying for them with energy credits and dilithium, you can now buy duty officers with fleet credits.
Yes, done that, and I have to disagree with you.

Some doffs are OK, but a lot are stubbon and/or unruly (or something else that comes up red in mission selection), there is not a single one with Resolve, and when I make a list of what skills I am looking for and, more importantly, what I am not, hey presto, Fab Engs, Def Offs, Exp Epts, Q Mstrs, Dia Engs, and Techns score low on logical and temwork, stubborn their not so bad (except when you really need it) and half of the others get rulled out for many missions because of other negative traits.

I have bought some, but my best doffs have come from the exchange and occasionally the doff grinder (which I miss using).

I concede your point on the fleet store, as I dont do starbases.
"He tasks me. He tasks me, and I shall have him. For every doff box bought, I'll chase him round the Moons of Nibia and round the Antares Maelstrom and round Perdition's flames. For every single doff box opened, I stab at thee from hell's heart. For every single doff contributed, I spit my last breath at thee..." Khan Playing STO

Last edited by humblesheep; 12-06-2012 at 02:09 AM.
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# 36
12-09-2012, 01:47 PM
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Zen
The current exchange value of the Zen to Dilithium will continue to fall, levelling off for a while at about 100, (probably when the STFers who cashed out at the end of Season 6 dump their Dilithium mountains.) before dropping again till it settles around 60 to 75 - I predict.

Why, because for all the little Dilithium bonuses Cryptic have restored since Season 7 went live (first the STF, then the Reputation costs and rewards), they have not addressed the real issue, which is the massive increase in Dilithium sinks (ipp doff costs and having to pay for STF weapons and items).

Unless Cryptic flood the entire player base with heaps of Dilithium (their current tactic of feeding back small Dilithium concessions is neither working, nor will it ever work), few of the Free-to-Play players (who are the main Dilithium sellers), will want to exchange their Dilithium, simply because they now need it all to spend on their toons. And hence, the value of Dilithium must continue to rise.

Doffs
For new players, upgrading their doffs, first to green and upwards to purple, is one of the best ways to get a steady income of Dilithium (also Energy Credits and useful items). Quite simply for Dilithium (other than via contraband) you need Resolve and you cant buy either Resolve doffs or good doffs unless you have heaps of cash, which by definition, being new, you dont. The massive Dilithium cost to upgrade doff makes this path all but impossible except for the Dilithium rich.

STF
Now when I go the Zen store, Dilithium store or the exchange and buy something, I expect to a) get it, and b) pay for it (rather obvious - but please bear with me), when I play 20 odd missions to get enough chips (or points) for an item I do not want to a) also pay for it, and b) not get it for 2 days (and it is 2 days, if you have a first life).

Now I dont think that I am being greedy here, I think that it is perfectly fair to either pay for something or (to use an unfortunately common term) grind for it. I do not think that we all should have to grind, pay - and wait!

The Game
What is a game? (again, please bear with me). Game are things people do for fun, that fun is different for each person, some like to build their starbases (personally, I dont - the cost to reward seems much to high), but others of you do and I hope that it is rewarding for you. Some people like to play hours on end day after day, again thats great for those of you who do. And others play for a few hours, a few days per week (probably most of us).

(and my point)
It is Cryptics job to make the game enjoyable for everyone and each persons choice of playing style, thats what the game is there for (Please remember, it is A GAME - and only, evermore, just a game). It may be a hard balancing act, and I do understand that they need to make money, but every change they make should be made to make the game more enjoyable for each type of player. This is basic economics for any company that runs any kind of service.

And as many have said before me (so I'm not laboring it in this post), the grind, whats with the grind, this is a game for (state your deity now)s sake, its supposed to be fun, and not just for those with massive disposable hours, fun for everyone! So many of the Season 7 changes make the average person want to play less, not more.

And what will happen
Less players, Gold account holder numbers and Zen sales drop, so less money and eventually the game becomes uneconomical and folds. I love playing this game and will be very sad when its gone.

The Solution - please Cryptic
Quite simply, drop the Dilithium requirements for the entire Reputation system and earned items, we dont even need the Dilithium drops/rewards if we dont need to spend it for the earned items (unless, of course, you really need to give us Dilithium so that we can sell it on the exchange).

Drop all the time gated times to zero or something trivial, does it really add anything to the game playing fun for anyone to wait days for things. OK so some people will put in colossal hours of play to get it all now - so what? Good luck to them. I wont, most people wont (or cant, because they dont have the time), - but does this hurt anyone?

Return the Dilithium costs for the doff exchange system to Season 6 levels, what does it matter to you (or your profits - if that is the driver) if people can upgrade all the way to purple doffs? Toons will level up slightly faster, have more cash and the exchange prices will fall a bit, but will that spoil the game economy?

The Result
Everyone will have a little more, wait a little less, the economics will change slightly, but there will be more fun. People will be happy, they will want to play more, they will tell their friends and they will want to play too, the exchange will level out (not to my personal benefit - please note), Zen will be worth spending cash on, you sell everyone nice things for extra cash and you will make more money.

Does it matter how fast starbases or embassys are built? or how quickly toons level up? or whether so-and-so gets all his Mk12 gear in a week? What matters is that more people play the game and enjoy it.

Surely, it is that simple, isn?t it?
I agree with everything in this post. The real issue is, PWE has added very very small increases in dilithium and added more and more dilithium sinks. It's supply and demand. The price of zen will continue to fall. Who know PWE? Maybe instead of backing dollars, pounds and euros with gold, we can back our currencies with dilithium? Wouldn't that be something?
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# 37
12-13-2012, 07:37 AM
I see that the latest patch (http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...d.php?t=482851) is making it a little easier to get more Dilithium, in the "dailys" and mining events. This, of course, is good news to many, however it still fails to alter the fundamental changes introduced by Season 7.

No matter how easy it is to reach the daily 8K cap (or get closer to it, if your a casual player), it is the new Dilithium sinks, that makes people hoard all the Dilithium they generate for their own toons.


"When I have all the purple doffs and the xii gear I want, I'll start exchanging my Dilithium for Zen like I used to before.
(unless, that is, I suddenly develope an interest in starbases, embasies or whatever the bottomless pit is next.)"
"He tasks me. He tasks me, and I shall have him. For every doff box bought, I'll chase him round the Moons of Nibia and round the Antares Maelstrom and round Perdition's flames. For every single doff box opened, I stab at thee from hell's heart. For every single doff contributed, I spit my last breath at thee..." Khan Playing STO
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# 38
12-13-2012, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by humblesheep View Post
No matter how easy it is to reach the daily 8K cap (or get closer to it, if your a casual player), it is the new Dilithium sinks, that makes people hoard all the Dilithium they generate for their own toons.
Indeed, i'm sitting on 700k dilithium and i'll keep hoarding it. So what? Play the game if you want your rewards!
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# 39
12-13-2012, 08:58 AM
Is that refined? I have a similar amount in unrefined due to the massive STF trade ins. Admittedly I've been putting it *somewhat begrudgingly* into my fleet as and when.

Though now the base projects are on rerun I can stockpile again for my own uses.
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# 40
12-13-2012, 09:10 AM
Of course it's refined, and i still have a lot of unrefined dilithium. It's definitely not difficult to get, it just requires some patience.
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