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# 81
12-19-2012, 05:06 PM
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then why not do both?
Who says they won't?
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# 82
12-19-2012, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by psycoticvulcan View Post
They ran a survey a few months ago. Playable Romulans beat KDF, albeit not by much.
Remember the wording when everyone receives the "Playable Romulans" in a future content patch rather than a Romulan Faction. Cryptic will deliver exactly as much as they did to KDF at release rather than what Jack Emmert stated at GenCon in 2008: "Starfleet and Klingon. Yeah. So two factions, full PvE content." If they are still unwilling to finish Klingons, it is unlikely there will ever be a Romulan Faction just baited hook for the cash grab. More smoke. More mirrors. More lies.
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# 83
12-19-2012, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by oldkhemaraa View Post
Just as an experiment I created a new KDF and a New Fed character a week or three back just to see how long it would take to get to the level cap. The KDF character look about 22 hours, the fed character took about 30 hours.

That really is not a very great long abount of time to play thought the content.. a brand new player who didn't know the game as well would likely take twice that long but the saem thing..is noted... not very long at all.

Most MMO's you spend the first 10 levels or so learning the game, and from there to the level cap learning details of the games mechanics while soaking up game story/lore. then you hit end game content, and other goodies. WOW is the acception to this at this point but then OMG what an increadable about of content availible there, with several races, each with a unique starting experience, and the two factions haveing unique faction based content availible both as solo or co-operative play with many places to linger along the way along with the option of freezing ones XP to linger at differing levels of PvP play and garner some loot and gear along the way befor progressing further. Still and none the less, STO has a long way to go before it offers that level and depth of game play. I really doubt STO will ever get to that point but I could be wrong.

The main issue is and has been the KDF as a faction not really having its OWN content as a faction to play through. This hurts faction numbers like no ones biz, and makes the faction much less attractive as a game play option for players. It hurts STO as an MMO.

Startrek Online is not like any of the other Perfect World titles. While doubtless even in the games current state it's fairly obvious its making its owners a great deal of money at this point. Egad, the game has got to be raking the cash it in on the lock boxes.. master keys require ZEN to purchase, and no matter how the ZEN is aquired someone HAS to BUY the zen in the first place. The money to put back into further game development is there, and quite frankly STO can continue to make great ooddles and scoddles of money for years to come if there is content for the players. Missions are content, and PvP play "CAN" be content if its done right. As it stands at the moment pvP is not a big draw for competitive players because other then bragging rights and some shinies it doesn't effect the greater game in any way what so ever. The story line isn't advanced in any way in PvP play and for PvP to truely attract a certain wargame element really needs to be there to move and advance the story of the Startrek prime universe.

Arena play PvP is not pure PvP.. Its practice for PvP . STO does not have true blue PvP yet. If you want to see tru PvP in a trek setting go back a couple years and look at Starfleet Command-II's dynaverse which was full on territotoriall PvP. Player actions effected what was going on strongly. Faction players could find them selves with no place to resupply thier ships, or repair them, much less aquire new starships if the faction held no planets or bases. Thats real PvP that counted. SFC-II on the other hand lacked to RP elements, ground missions, and story of STO. STO needs that kind of PvP, but it needs a healthy populated KDF gfaction to do it, and without the KDF mission content to draw players that has little if any chance of happening.

The talk about adding more factions (which by the way I would love to see at some point) at this point strikes me as foolishly and hopelessly premature. Considering the state of the KDF, how can anyone assume the addition of a third faction when the game other second faction isn't complete is going to add to the game? There is no logic, or sense in such an addition at this time. I quite understand the champions of a Romulan factions desires to see the RSE represnted by players, but if it is, what are RSE players going to do? PvP? Where..Arena play simply isn't that big of a draw as any MMO other then strait up shooters has ever shown. Factional PvP needs a framework and a story to exist in or its just another fancy shooter.

I've stated, and pounded apon this for three years now. the Studio absolutly needs to flesh out the KDF. Not only will it strengthen the over all game experience, but it will make the game a much stronger pull for non trek gamers and fans, and fans of scifi based PvP play and open up play for the addition down the road of other factions.. Certainly let players start with Fed play, and stay with that faction forever if thats what they wish.

This is a game and at a certain level we need to paraphrase to motto of Star Trek..you know the one I speak of. "To boldly go where no one has gone before" but we need to make a small change that reflects that this is a virtual experience..

To boldly experience what no one has done before.

Flesh out the KDF, make sure STF, and FE's are also written with a second story from the KDF view point (and yes, that DOES mean that pretty much all of the FE's need a KDF player rewrite. Of all of them only the Reman and Defari arcs make any sense..the 2800 has some real issues with making sense from a KDF players POV...as a KDF player I would have challanged the Gorn KDF ambassadore to a dual and killed that idiot for standing in the way of the empires interests.. and while I'm at it..why is a Gorn acting as the empires embassadore there... do you see any Gorn on the high council?)

Once the KDF is a lot more playable then it currently is, then lets see that Romulan faction get developed, after that we should look at the Gamma quadrant, the delta quadrant, or the Borg.

Khemaraa sends.
You are now my new best friend lol.. I agree with basically everything you said
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# 84
12-20-2012, 04:49 AM
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Originally Posted by oldkhemaraa View Post
(Snip)
This is a game and at a certain level we need to paraphrase to motto of Star Trek..you know the one I speak of. "To boldly go where no one has gone before" but we need to make a small change that reflects that this is a virtual experience..

To boldly experience what no one has done before.

Flesh out the KDF, make sure STF, and FE's are also written with a second story from the KDF view point (and yes, that DOES mean that pretty much all of the FE's need a KDF player rewrite. Of all of them only the Reman and Defari arcs make any sense..the 2800 has some real issues with making sense from a KDF players POV...as a KDF player I would have challanged the Gorn KDF ambassadore to a dual and killed that idiot for standing in the way of the empires interests.. and while I'm at it..why is a Gorn acting as the empires embassadore there... do you see any Gorn on the high council?)

Once the KDF is a lot more playable then it currently is, then lets see that Romulan faction get developed, after that we should look at the Gamma quadrant, the delta quadrant, or the Borg.

Khemaraa sends.
I pretty much support every point you made.
Sad no one at Cryptic or PWE will read or care what is says.
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# 85
12-20-2012, 06:28 AM
Well, with the new Foundry rewards, there is plenty of stuff worth playing for Klingon characters, and it even gives you respectable amounts of fleet marks and Dilithium for it, and it is quite useful for levelling and gaining Expertise.

That is more stuff than you could play in a lifetime.
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# 86
12-20-2012, 11:53 AM
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Well, with the new Foundry rewards, there is plenty of stuff worth playing for Klingon characters, and it even gives you respectable amounts of fleet marks and Dilithium for it, and it is quite useful for levelling and gaining Expertise.

That is more stuff than you could play in a lifetime.
I suppose Cryptic could then cut overhead and increase profits by trimming away most of the Fed missions, bumping the start up to Commander, and stop creating content since:

Well, with the new Foundry rewards, there is plenty of stuff worth playing for FEDERATION characters, and it even gives you respectable amounts of fleet marks and Dilithium for it, and it is quite useful for levelling and gaining Expertise.

That is more stuff than you could play in a lifetime.
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# 87
12-20-2012, 12:16 PM
I don't think anyone can seriously argue that the KDF shouldn't get any additional content, ever. If someone did directly say that, I didn't catch it. That would be trolling.

(((Strong hint)))

It is true that the Foundry can be a tool to provide extra content, and I hope KDF players are willing to take advantage of whatever they can get.

It's not too much to expect to ask Cryptic to keep making content for both factions. It's unrealistic at this point to expect to get it all at once, continually, and to maintain true parity.

What we should expect is that Cryptic will make the attempt to balance things out going forward and to close the gap by as much as they can whenever they have time in their schedule. It's not wrong to ask Cryptic to make time in their schedule, and to keep asking.
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# 88
12-20-2012, 01:21 PM
Bluegeek,

we have some posters come into the KDF portion of the game forums fairly constantly with the whole "Klingons should just shut up and go away" attitude and flags flying from all masts.

We've gotten pretty good at landing on them with spurs, pain sticks, and a few Gorn thrown in for good measure. Though there are still a few that come in the rake the coals and get the flames going. A few have ended up getting burned from thier playing with fire..

Grumpy, discontented, and informed KDF players have developed a real low tolerance for it I'm afraid.. Even the concept of a faction merge tends to really get us up in arms. We don't see all that much of it any more, and the worst of them have gotten infraction points and complaints lodged against them. No sense of humor for that sort of hijinx with we KDF types.

We want desperatly to see a revival of the KDF, and all that could go with it. And for the most part all of us KDF players pretty much know what is needed, especially those of us that have been here since day one. It's not easy for many of us to keep it civil either. Lot of outright anger I'm afraid. We've felt seriously slighted.

I hope the tweet leaks we've seen, and some of the hints are indeed pointing toward season 8 having a great deal of KDF content.. and yes, our memories go back months and months and months, and years back around here..

We have a great deal of occasional wishfull thinking, and we do tend to jump all over any sort of hint toward what we want. It has been and is frustrating. Those of us still posting have toned it back a very great deal, but theres a whole lot of KDF players who just stay as far away from the forums as possible. They don't want to discuss, poke, prod or cajole. They feel ignored and seriously slighted. Theres just not much you as a CM on the forums can do. The ball is squarely in the DEV's court on this. There's three years of feed back in the KDF Gameplay and ships forums about it.

So mostly it just the hurry up and wait, and wait, and yet wait some more. Not happy making for us.

My self and some of the other old guard hang in there, but none of us will ever get used to being dissapointed time after time.. but if the studio will move onto getting the content we just might get a whole lot nicer about the whole thing *grin*

We want Trek, and we want KDF content, but eaqually important we want a good solid MMO that draws player in and involves them... As a fed player, they've got that.. not dso much if you don't play fed.

I as much as anyone wish Cryptic hada couple more years of in house develop ment time availible to it. We know why it didn't happen. "nuff said on that.

I'm not sure what I want to say to you, and I'm not sure waht I can say to the Dev's, but if they are indeed going to focus on KDF for season 8, the sooner they lay some real info on it the better. Just knowing that we're going to get KDF stuff all by it's self would be a tremendous shot in the arm to we KDF players and give us a great deal to look forward to.. The studio would still have plenty of room and wiggle for other goodies and surprises for season 8 even if they did out and out say the focus will be on KDF content.

As a CM, please Urge the Dev's to spill some beans early (as in ASAP) if they are indeed doing KDF stuff. We're just barely hanging in there..

The KDF fleet I'm in hase 8 active players.. and we may be one of the larger ones.. this is down from a peak of 24 players at the end of the games first year. A bunch of them just simply let thier subs lapse and moved on to other things because there wasn't any KDF content. My fleet keeps contact with our old players as the fleet existed years before STO came along.

Build it and they WILL come is what we've been saying.. as in Coming Back to STO..and these are all players that would renew as Gold level players, not silvers.. Theres hundreds if not thousands out there. And they'r enot kids either.. moslt age 30 and up and serious trek fans with jobs, families, income.

*shakes the Cryptic tree* You guys listening yet! *shakes the tree some more* we're talk'n to ya!!!

Got no objecting to 'em mak'n money off us..just need the content.

Khemaraa sends.
Release 8.5 "STO The Next Generation"

Let the happy old bug stomping commence, along with refinement toward enhancing each factions play experience!
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# 89
12-20-2012, 01:32 PM
Step 1:
Let starting players start as KDF.


That alone would make a huge difference, even if starting level KDF don't have any new content.
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# 90
12-20-2012, 11:08 PM
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I suppose Cryptic could then cut overhead and increase profits by trimming away most of the Fed missions, bumping the start up to Commander, and stop creating content since:
Yep, they could. They don't. What does that tell you?

To me, that clearly sais they want new Cryptic-created content, and that will include content for the KDF.


But: We don't strictly need that to enjoy our KDF toons. Because of the many awesome Klingon Foundry missions. What was the last Foundry mission you played?

Last edited by sophlogimo; 12-20-2012 at 11:16 PM.
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