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# 31
12-25-2012, 12:55 AM
Even if our world had all the resources it could ever need, our desire for better technology would force us into space since gravity is a harsh mistress for advanced technology.
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# 32
12-25-2012, 09:45 AM
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Problem 1: The saucer section has the wrong orientation for simulating gravity. You'd have the most motion-sick crew imaginable every time the thrusters fired.
According to the site, part of the reason ion engines are planned is because they have a more gradual acceleration - only about 0.0001g. That means a 200 pound person will feel a weight shift of just .02 pounds as the wheel spins. This should not be perceptible.

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I expect this petition will get a polite noncommittal response if it gets any attention at all, before being tossed in the same file as conspiracy theories, alien abduction stories and every other crackpot notion that someone had the delirium to think up.
Maybe. Probably. But it's worth a try. Worst case scenario, they dismiss the petition and we (the BTE supporters) continue to push for it on the site.

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Also so what not listed, escape pods, if anything were to happen to the main ship how will the crew escape other than the vehicle they are taking with but could that hold the whole crew, last thing I want to see Titanic in space. To many lives are lost due to arrogance as well as other things.
Technically, this safety question will exist for any large spaceship in space. With the Enterprise, the gravity wheel pods, and all sections of the ship, will be air-sealed from each other. So if there is a problem in one section of the ship, it can be sealed off from the rest of the ship. So the ship is like a large submarine. Its compartments can be sealed off, and a large self-sufficient crew goes off on missions in an isolated ship for months at a time. And on the Enterprise triple redundancy in all systems makes sure that there is never a complete loss of a critical system.
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# 33
12-25-2012, 09:58 AM
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According to the site, part of the reason ion engines are planned is because they have a more gradual acceleration - only about 0.0001g. That means a 200 pound person will feel a weight shift of just .02 pounds as the wheel spins. This should not be perceptible.



Maybe. Probably. But it's worth a try. Worst case scenario, they dismiss the petition and we (the BTE supporters) continue to push for it on the site.



Technically, this safety question will exist for any large spaceship in space. With the Enterprise, the gravity wheel pods, and all sections of the ship, will be air-sealed from each other. So if there is a problem in one section of the ship, it can be sealed off from the rest of the ship. So the ship is like a large submarine. Its compartments can be sealed off, and a large self-sufficient crew goes off on missions in an isolated ship for months at a time. And on the Enterprise triple redundancy in all systems makes sure that there is never a complete loss of a critical system.
yeah of course of all those but its better safe then sorry to plan out for all case scenarios.
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# 34
12-25-2012, 08:08 PM
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yeah of course of all those but its better safe then sorry to plan out for all case scenarios.
Absolutely. That's why triple redundancy is a major part of the design proposed on the site. There are three nuclear reactors (a main 1.5GWe reactor in the "engineering hull", and two auxiliary 500MWe reactors in the "nacelles"), three ion engines, a triple-layered hull, and so on.

A worst-case-scenario option would be to jettison the reactors and use the liquid propellant rockets on the saucer ("impulse engines") to return to Earth. They're not as fast or as powerful as the ion engines, but they would get the ship moving. And they have a much better rate of acceleration.

Ideally, the ship would carry enough supplies and backup power systems to last a bare minimum of one year, probably more since the ship is designed for long-term missions. That should be enough to get it home from, say, Mars. And there are already ideas on how to grow food and generate oxygen aboard the ship.
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# 35
12-25-2012, 08:24 PM
I could see frigates like the ones in Mass Effect.. but this one I am not sure
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# 36
12-26-2012, 01:51 AM
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If I remember correctly in space you can build a ship any ship you want since there is no air in space so don't have to worry about aerodynamics? You can build a giant donut or Lego brick and is would be fine.
i wasn't refering to aerodynamics in any kind...interstellar debree, make some sort of shield in front of the ship necessary for instance...
above all it is not a practical design. Nasa has probably a trillion functional designs, already in their deskdrawers.
a design like the botany bay is way more realistic for instance.

actually a donut is an incredible practical design for a spaceship, the living habitats could be inside this shape and the rotation creates artificial gravity...also the round shape has the most surface to volume ratio...which means less material for a maximum of living space...etc.

i mean there are millions of articles about this subject, if you read through some it will become clear why the enterprise shape is just too unpractical as a spaceship design.

scifi ideas are incredible to inspire people and to trigger inovations...but 1 to 1 adaptation is not smart, just for the sake of looks.
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# 37
12-26-2012, 02:20 AM
With current technology, this ship would have to be built on the ground, then launched into space. So we need to put this ship into a huge cargo bay and launch a more suitable freighter from orbit or have the ship never enter the Earth's atmosphere again or have the ship destroyed through launching it. Therefore, we need to build Utopia Planitia to build it in space. The TOS Enterprise never entered an atmosphere without it being damaged. That is what the shuttles and teleporter is for. Since we have to wait for orbital shipyards to be produced, then it is unlikely that it will even be possible to build this ship this century.
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# 38
12-26-2012, 02:25 AM
Actually in all seriousness the Enterprise design isn't actually a bad one to go with, it just needs some real world tweaking.

The Neck could be shortened and widened to allow for greater structural stability. Also along those same line the Nacelle pylons could also be shortened and make wider. The change to the overall look of the ship wouldn't be that drastic and would really add alot to the physical strength of it.

You have to remember despite all the prototypes and concepts of high acceleration, high velocity engines the best we can do is think the current is a Gen3, Gen4 Ion engine, so alot of the high velocity structural issues simply aren't there.

As far as the actual saucer section and artifical gravity in general, by the time this thing could actually be build an electromagnetic gravity plate system should be easy to design by then. By this I mean a magnetized floor plating that would be strong enough that you could stand upright and also strong enough for it to bounce off the walls of a corridor or small room to allow for gravitational pressure to be constant across the entire body, much like on Earth.
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# 39
12-26-2012, 09:14 AM
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With current technology, this ship would have to be built on the ground, then launched into space. So we need to put this ship into a huge cargo bay and launch a more suitable freighter from orbit or have the ship never enter the Earth's atmosphere again or have the ship destroyed through launching it. Therefore, we need to build Utopia Planitia to build it in space. The TOS Enterprise never entered an atmosphere without it being damaged. That is what the shuttles and teleporter is for. Since we have to wait for orbital shipyards to be produced, then it is unlikely that it will even be possible to build this ship this century.
Not really.

We build the International Space Station in space. Different animal, I know, but the fact that we did proves that we're capable of building stuff right in orbit with little-to-no supporting infrastructure. And the Enterprise will also function as a space station when it's not on missions around the solar system.

I suppose we might have to build a small-ish gravity wheel station in orbit to house some of the workers and equipment. But I think that's doable.

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Actually in all seriousness the Enterprise design isn't actually a bad one to go with, it just needs some real world tweaking.

The Neck could be shortened and widened to allow for greater structural stability. Also along those same line the Nacelle pylons could also be shortened and make wider. The change to the overall look of the ship wouldn't be that drastic and would really add alot to the physical strength of it.

You have to remember despite all the prototypes and concepts of high acceleration, high velocity engines the best we can do is think the current is a Gen3, Gen4 Ion engine, so alot of the high velocity structural issues simply aren't there.
Exactly. This ship isn't going to be a replica of the Enterprise; it's just going to have the same kind of saucer-neck-hull-nacelles configuration that will bring the Enterprise to mind.

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As far as the actual saucer section and artifical gravity in general, by the time this thing could actually be build an electromagnetic gravity plate system should be easy to design by then. By this I mean a magnetized floor plating that would be strong enough that you could stand upright and also strong enough for it to bounce off the walls of a corridor or small room to allow for gravitational pressure to be constant across the entire body, much like on Earth.
I suppose that's a possibility too. Could be useful in the neck and engine hulls.
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# 40
12-26-2012, 10:49 AM
Cool, back to communications, which will be the best to use? And should they drop satalities on route like they did in enterprise series while they were travelling.
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