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# 101
12-28-2012, 02:36 AM
Lol, this is the weirdest subject ever, I'm surprised that it's still going.

It starts out about a ship and then it gets into fan rage and then it splits into faction rage then returns to a ship.

I say keep plugging away, one voice is as heard as a million.

I'm not really sure why people are arguing over the mere notion of another ship in a game thats dominated by ships. That's like asking why is there more costumes and horses and armor and weapons in a medieval mmo. O don't know... maybe because it's a medieval mmo.... that may be it

They will always come out with ships.

This is why we as A COMMUNITY BOTH SIDES KDF AND FED can't get anything in this game because we are constantly bickering ******** and moaning in our knitting circles over the most asinine stuff and then when cryptic gives you something that's in the middle of no mans land absolutely garbage you have the unmitigated gull, the unabashed audacity to join together hand in hand in your koombiya circles and talk about how Cryptic gives you crappy content, how pwe is a money grubbing magnate and don't care about both sides, when they are giving you exactly what you are complaining about and care enough to listen to both sides and give you something in tyhe middle! If no ones happy then i think they did a pretty good damn job giving you something you should't have asked for in the first place but waited until they were ready to make it, like they did the Breen and the Bug and my god we all know those ships are going to be uber class.... and have the nerve to complain about something with a straight face. If it's not KDF Vs FED it's PVE vs PVP, of it's not pvp vs PVE its F2p vs P2W, when the hell is it over?

And who are we as warring factions that are't exactly warring ever to tell another faction what they can and cannot build, how they can and cannot build. i have never heard of that in anything other then these online games. A cruiser is a battle ship, if it can't take aggro then what use is it? We all know thet TC is broken and high DPS get's the aggro pure and simple so what's the problem with buffing it's dps out put to make it into a weapon? If you don't like it then get a cruiser, dam, evolve at some point with the game instead of saying, no no you can't do that it will mess up my build. It's ridiculous as if in war we have some accord that says you ca't have this this and this. As if you paying a few dollars for something that YOU wanted that benefits NO ONE BUT YOU gives you the ultimate power to tell someone else what they want, what they wish for, what they think would make the game interesting to them and for them cause they pat the same tolls you do. Learn to add and subtract from a persons build or ideas without belittling and subjugating them. We all have a right to be heard but to fill the world with abstract douchebaggery is by far the biggest problem in games. as if you saying no will stop it.

And this gets me most, KDF needs content, sure why not, don't have a problem with that. KDF starts out at lvl 20 fine, they get all the dil, eeeer sure i guess, and they have the best ships uh oh. FEDS have like a million ships and still have not caught up (Mainly because startrek was about the FEDS, never seen an season where it was from a klink pov or a borg pov or anyone's pov other then the feds and 90% of the paying pop is fed so business wise i would cater to feds, it's not about being fair or being right, it's about being profitable.) Hell you can have the rest of my content, i'm not using it. I only did the episodes and was done with that part of my STO life. I for one have no problem with giving Klinks more toys long as i can pocket 8k Dil a day i'll call it even. hell give them about 80% of the fed ships they covet so much in exchange since only 5% are actually usable. Call their blufff and take their power and watch how fast they say we don't want that crap. I have no problem with giving both sides more and more but the problem is it becomes fan-fiction and no longer what the creator intend. So while we are bickering back in forth over who deserves what and when, remember that you are trampling all over your favorite authors work in your own greed to one up each other and to me, i'm not even into star trek other then the pretty lights, and I know deep down inside as a writer that i'd shed tears and roll over in my grave if I saw half of this crap.

That is all.... now back to dicussing your ship idea's ON BOTH SIDES... thank you
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# 102
12-28-2012, 03:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lasonio View Post
Lol, this is the weirdest subject ever, I'm surprised that it's still going.

It starts out about a ship and then it gets into fan rage and then it splits into faction rage then returns to a ship.

I say keep plugging away, one voice is as heard as a million.

I'm not really sure why people are arguing over the mere notion of another ship in a game thats dominated by ships. That's like asking why is there more costumes and horses and armor and weapons in a medieval mmo. O don't know... maybe because it's a medieval mmo.... that may be it

They will always come out with ships.

This is why we as A COMMUNITY BOTH SIDES KDF AND FED can't get anything in this game because we are constantly bickering ******** and moaning in our knitting circles over the most asinine stuff and then when cryptic gives you something that's in the middle of no mans land absolutely garbage you have the unmitigated gull, the unabashed audacity to join together hand in hand in your koombiya circles and talk about how Cryptic gives you crappy content, how pwe is a money grubbing magnate and don't care about both sides, when they are giving you exactly what you are complaining about and care enough to listen to both sides and give you something in tyhe middle! If no ones happy then i think they did a pretty good damn job giving you something you should't have asked for in the first place but waited until they were ready to make it, like they did the Breen and the Bug and my god we all know those ships are going to be uber class.... and have the nerve to complain about something with a straight face. If it's not KDF Vs FED it's PVE vs PVP, of it's not pvp vs PVE its F2p vs P2W, when the hell is it over?

And who are we as warring factions that are't exactly warring ever to tell another faction what they can and cannot build, how they can and cannot build. i have never heard of that in anything other then these online games. A cruiser is a battle ship, if it can't take aggro then what use is it? We all know thet TC is broken and high DPS get's the aggro pure and simple so what's the problem with buffing it's dps out put to make it into a weapon? If you don't like it then get a cruiser, dam, evolve at some point with the game instead of saying, no no you can't do that it will mess up my build. It's ridiculous as if in war we have some accord that says you ca't have this this and this. As if you paying a few dollars for something that YOU wanted that benefits NO ONE BUT YOU gives you the ultimate power to tell someone else what they want, what they wish for, what they think would make the game interesting to them and for them cause they pat the same tolls you do. Learn to add and subtract from a persons build or ideas without belittling and subjugating them. We all have a right to be heard but to fill the world with abstract douchebaggery is by far the biggest problem in games. as if you saying no will stop it.

And this gets me most, KDF needs content, sure why not, don't have a problem with that. KDF starts out at lvl 20 fine, they get all the dil, eeeer sure i guess, and they have the best ships uh oh. FEDS have like a million ships and still have not caught up (Mainly because startrek was about the FEDS, never seen an season where it was from a klink pov or a borg pov or anyone's pov other then the feds and 90% of the paying pop is fed so business wise i would cater to feds, it's not about being fair or being right, it's about being profitable.) Hell you can have the rest of my content, i'm not using it. I only did the episodes and was done with that part of my STO life. I for one have no problem with giving Klinks more toys long as i can pocket 8k Dil a day i'll call it even. hell give them about 80% of the fed ships they covet so much in exchange since only 5% are actually usable. Call their blufff and take their power and watch how fast they say we don't want that crap. I have no problem with giving both sides more and more but the problem is it becomes fan-fiction and no longer what the creator intend. So while we are bickering back in forth over who deserves what and when, remember that you are trampling all over your favorite authors work in your own greed to one up each other and to me, i'm not even into star trek other then the pretty lights, and I know deep down inside as a writer that i'd shed tears and roll over in my grave if I saw half of this crap.

That is all.... now back to dicussing your ship idea's ON BOTH SIDES... thank you
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# 103
12-28-2012, 04:55 AM
Why all the hate for this one ship I'll never figure out. The major gripes should have been about all the temporal ships which have no place in canon(Or this game) at all, but no one complained about them.

I'm going to run the ship I want regardless if Johnny Starship Captain rants about how bad it is. They don't like it, that's what ignore is for.

As for the Ambassador, cruisers really need to make a comeback as the battleships of the fleet. So I'm hoping for a little more from the C Store version that will be released after they give a free taste to everyone with the basic ship giveaway.(Like they did with the Odyssey.)

As for balance, escort ships should be all offense with basic defense. Like a Borg cube, they should be hard on the outside, soft on the inside. They should not be at the top of the food chain. They should be quick strike and get out of dodge. Not, lets tank this tactical cube point blank without moving and then survive its explosion after its destroyed and fly on to the next one, then rinse and repeat because its so OP.

This is one of the major problems with PvP. Nothing is balanced like it should be.
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# 104
12-28-2012, 06:29 AM
Maybe if the ambassador class needs be a be a tank with strong fire power it should come with 10 weapon slots??
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# 105
12-28-2012, 06:32 AM
The 10 weapon slot might allow the ambassador class to be able to argo and tank heavy
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# 106
12-28-2012, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by captiandata1 View Post
Maybe if the ambassador class needs be a be a tank with strong fire power it should come with 10 weapon slots??
Only ships that should have more than 8 weapons slots should be for battleships, which the Ambassador should not be. Maybe having a unique weapon slots that gives a weapon a 360' arc would be more appropriate.
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# 107
12-28-2012, 09:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by whamhammer1 View Post
Only ships that should have more than 8 weapons slots should be for battleships, which the Ambassador should not be.
After all, if the Sovereign, Galaxy, and Odyssey class cruisers don't get 10 weapons (and they are newer and canonically more heavily armed than the Ambassador) why should the Ambassador, except to preserve the dauntless march of power creep?
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# 108
12-28-2012, 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thebumble View Post
Why all the hate for this one ship I'll never figure out. The major gripes should have been about all the temporal ships which have no place in canon(Or this game) at all, but no one complained about them.

I'm going to run the ship I want regardless if Johnny Starship Captain rants about how bad it is. They don't like it, that's what ignore is for.

As for the Ambassador, cruisers really need to make a comeback as the battleships of the fleet. So I'm hoping for a little more from the C Store version that will be released after they give a free taste to everyone with the basic ship giveaway.(Like they did with the Odyssey.)

As for balance, escort ships should be all offense with basic defense. Like a Borg cube, they should be hard on the outside, soft on the inside. They should not be at the top of the food chain. They should be quick strike and get out of dodge. Not, lets tank this tactical cube point blank without moving and then survive its explosion after its destroyed and fly on to the next one, then rinse and repeat because its so OP.

This is one of the major problems with PvP. Nothing is balanced like it should be.
My 'hate' is directed at ANY new Federation ships. I don't care what it is. You lot already have enough ships, as I've said elsewhere.

You. Don't. Effing. Need. More. Effing. Ships. Get used to not having a shiny new toy to throw money at every 1-2 months.

The KDF faction should be the focus. It's supposedly the focus for S8, so it should be getting the bulk of all resources (including ship-designing resources), at least for the S8 period. Put the effing Fed faction in maintenance mode for a while. Bring the KDF faction up to par before throwing more toys at the Federation.

Of course, that's always been far too much to ask. So Cryptic will just screw around with giving the KDF crumbs while allowing the Federation to retain the edge in development and content, and thus the bulk of the playerbase. And Federation petaQ'pu will mock the KDF for complaining about being dumped on.
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# 109
12-29-2012, 03:14 AM
lol, if you hate something because you're naturally a hater then thats fine.

I can dig that, a KDF that hates FEDS there are some FEDS that hate KDF and they could be like best friends irl but on the game they just dislike each other which is kinda stupid since kdf isn't that high on the universal threat meter.

But you do know star trek is about FEDS right? everything else is just side bar. Even if you do have your language and a bit of history you're no different then the borg or the orcs or souleaters, or whatever in another type of setting. I mean I'm not sure but Klinks were big in the original story now they aren't much of a threat to the FEDS so much as an annoying neighbor.,,, that just happen to steal alot.... a lot lot.... i mean like they will steal your ship and paint it red and pretend its always been that way and be like "Keep it moving *****, theres nothing to see here." Lol they are like the guy who would steal you wallet and then help you look for it.

But I can get where you're coming from. I don't even like a quarter of what the feds do, i think they are sneaky and self serving while smiling in your face and stabbing you in the back. Klinks do the same thing but they kinda let you know it's coming beforehand. Yet I would never be Klink because I am a born Hero complex, my FED is my Hero-self and no matter how hard I try I can't get away from my Hero-self. I don't have to agree to the politics of a side to honor my code to that side.

But anywho, you do know whatever they make on the klink side will be total fan-fiction and could prolly be dubbed on the foundry, right?

What I don't get is I don't think you are understanding the precarious perch you are sitting on atm, what you are preaching though it may look good is basically a doomsday prophesy for your people. Klinks are strong because they are a small faction so their ships and toys have to be powerful and elite even if the captain is two quarters o the wind garbage, atleast the ship can say dam, least I tried. But the moment you get all the gamers to rally to your cause within days weeks or a month top the power will shift and kdf's worthless ships will some how find some way to become nerfed or the FED ships will become buffed. These are all plausible scenarios, maybe Janeway comes back in time again or spock or picard plays a flute, or FEDs high ups will be alarmed and say screw diplomacy load that mother up with some new tech and weapons and get that ass, and don't forget the undine are in feds as they are in klink higher ups and they do hate them some klinks, hell even Q might do something weird and all of a sudden FED ships that were laughable will start shredding KDF ships and I'm betting you sir prophet of doom for your own people will be the first to call foul, in which then i will go into the archives and bring this quote back and say, well atleast you are a prophet, right?
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# 110
12-29-2012, 03:55 AM
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But you do know star trek is about FEDS right?
You know this game is as much Star Trek as Star Fleet Battles was, right?

You know, the Star Trek-based IP that wasn't even allowed to use the Star Trek name?

The IP that Starfleet Command was based on?

Stop using that argument. It's stupid. This game isn't Star Trek. It's "Fashion Show And Spaceships Online"..
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