Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 11
12-23-2012, 07:30 PM
In section 4.4 it says exploits or cheats etc...


Define exploits. Is /logout an exploit? How will you know if someone is using an exploit? Will a GM be watching logs? Can we challenge and call for an investigation on someone if they are using an exploit?

We need these clarified before the tournament begins.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 75
# 12
01-02-2013, 04:01 AM
would like to know, why the tachyokinetic converter is not allowed.
and how do you want to control, whether it is used, or not?
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 34
# 13
01-02-2013, 04:33 PM
With all the rules added on the 31st, this tournament seems like a sham now. I believe it's in response to certain fleets getting their feelings hurt with a build that used the newly banned items. Not allowing all those items in builds makes this tournament really not worth it anymore. I hate to say it but Cryo has a point and it's unfortunate people can't think outside the box and build something original.

If you want a pure skills tournament then go with season 2 ships and outlaw all consoles.
Seven of Eleven
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Commander
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Posts: 363
# 14
01-02-2013, 07:26 PM
If participants took the time to investigate the broken status of these abilities and there being no effective counter against them, then there would be no issues with not allowing them in this tournament.

The vested nature in a lot of PvPers is of honorable proportions since most of them acknowledge some of the broken concepts being employed/released by Devs in this game.

There is a reason why a lot of us refuse to run the full temporal set, tric mines, grav pulses, AMS etc. There has been a lot of due diligence when testing things out in this game. It isn't that "we can't beat it". A lot of us can beat that stuff, but there is merited truth behind the idea of providing feedback on things that do need a nerf. Like tric mines which are an blunt obvious over powered weapon when used in junction with dispersal patterns.

Now if this tournament is "not worth it" for you, then it's because you are unable to participate due to your heavy reliance on a certain set of things. Being one dimensional is perhaps the downfall of most of the creativity that can be achieved in this game when making a premade. I regret not to see all those that rely on all of that stuff to win.

The other side to this is the presumed stupidity of those that don't run this stuff. Are we stupid not to run it? The answer is no, we acknowledge stuff that's broken and try our best to provide feedback on working on it. Otherwise, we'd be glad to use "time inversion" on everyone while we nuke/scan/alpha, tric bomb, grav pulse, ams, etc.

Can you imagine someone doing that to you? Would you want to play a game like that? I can tell you this much, if the more seasoned PvP teams decided to run this stuff, there would be no sense in competition in this game.
Lieutenant
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Posts: 35
Nice to see that pax is now speaking for cryptic and the authority on what is broken. I would like to hear branflakes explain from a devs perspective how inversion and tipler are broken. I was unaware of cryptic listing these items as broken. I am really upset that cryptic has given power to a few ppl to use this tourney to pick on fleets they dont like .Nice job cryptic way to bring the community together.Its funny how we beat a team with a setup in the q and less then a week later the entire build that we ran was banned.2 weeks away from the start of the tournament. When i asked pascal why only the ships and sets that we were useing were banned and things like 4 extend teams and 3 bug ship teams or any other setup with more than 2 of an ability or ship were allowed except ours. He said there would be too many rules if he did that. So i ask you this why was it so easy to ban everything that sob was useing and not restrict anything that other fleets are stacking like extends.Seems like we are being singled out because the people running the tourney hold grudges against sob. I cant see how cryptic can sponsor a tourney ran by people like that. As far as im concerned this tourney was the final nail in the coffin for unity in pvp.So join pascals tourney but only bring the broken stuff that he allows. And its all cryptic sponsored what a joke.
Lieutenant
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Posts: 70
# 16
01-02-2013, 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by novalous View Post
Nice to see that pax is now speaking for cryptic and the authority on what is broken. I would like to hear branflakes explain from a devs perspective how inversion and tipler are broken. I was unaware of cryptic listing these items as broken. I am really upset that cryptic has given power to a few ppl to use this tourney to pick on fleets they dont like .Nice job cryptic way to bring the community together.Its funny how we beat a team with a setup in the q and less then a week later the entire build that we ran was banned.2 weeks away from the start of the tournament. When i asked pascal why only the ships and sets that we were useing were banned and things like 4 extend teams and 3 bug ship teams or any other setup with more than 2 of an ability or ship were allowed except ours. He said there would be too many rules if he did that. So i ask you this why was it so easy to ban everything that sob was useing and not restrict anything that other fleets are stacking like extends.Seems like we are being singled out because the people running the tourney hold grudges against sob. I cant see how cryptic can sponsor a tourney ran by people like that. As far as im concerned this tourney was the final nail in the coffin for unity in pvp.So join pascals tourney but only bring the broken stuff that he allows. And its all cryptic sponsored what a joke.
Perhaps if you cry more it will fix the problem?

Is the allotted 2 week time frame FAR too short to think of a new team set-up?
Ensign
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# 17
01-02-2013, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by paxottoman View Post
If participants took the time to investigate the broken status of these abilities and there being no effective counter against them, then there would be no issues with not allowing them in this tournament.

What about broken boff abilities. What's the counter against extend shields? 4 people on a team with it and it can be used full time. Well, there WERE counters against but apparently they're too OP and so get banned. Who do I need to sleep with in order to get stuff that I don't like banned from tournament play?

I'm not saying this is true, but powers that be should really take a look at things from the outside. Appearances of favoritism in order to promote a select few 'popular' fleets does more to harm PvP than any tournament could help it.

And people wonder why I don't do 'real PvP' and just 1 v 1.
Lieutenant
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# 18
01-02-2013, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by loganwilliams1 View Post
What about broken boff abilities. What's the counter against extend shields? 4 people on a team with it and it can be used full time. Well, there WERE counters against but apparently they're too OP and so get banned.
Huh, I wasn't aware that Photonic Shockwave was banned, brb, re-reading those rules.

PS wasn't banned. Another counter to Extend Shields is something that is crazy OP, in fact, there was a recent thread about nerfing it...WEAPONS and DAMAGE! I was told by the most l33t PvPers that damage in fact counters Extend Shields, who wouldda thunk it?

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Ensign
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# 19
01-02-2013, 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by rjam0 View Post
Huh, I wasn't aware that Photonic Shockwave was banned, brb, re-reading those rules.
the detonator was, shockwave still legal, but when you're allowed to have 2 copies and > continuously < extend as opposed to have a cooldown and a global, why bother?
Commander
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# 20
01-02-2013, 09:20 PM
There has been ZERO feed back about the ancient bridge officer ability extends being "broken".

The people who are NOW going on these forums to complain about the extends bridge officer ability have:

A) Have been been hanging out with a crowd who has no idea what a photonic shockwave is or what it does.
B) Have no idea what a new photonic shockwave doff does
C) Have no idea how to work a tractor beam repulsor (watch some of my vids)
D) Have no idea what a sub nuke is
E) Don't know how to target shields and;
F) You found it now to come on here and provide feedback about something that is widely in use and quite clean in it's use and it's counter by nearly everyone that play pvp in this game.

We have been talking about inversion field, and tipler console for weeks and weeks, long before the tournament was scheduled or thought of. And now you come on here upset now?

Trying to stir stuff up? Both in OPVP and on here? People who do this talk, and don't play the game. If the rules are harsh on you, then employ a creative thought process and come up with something less one dimensional.

Those few "popular fleets" have taken the stance on maintaining their set ups clean. Most notably and recently, Nova Core. The other fleets that run/try to run clean setups and acknowledge the necessity on providing feedback on this stuff are:

TSI
Sad Pandas
Unfound
Lag Ind
Proteus (now starting to working on their stuff)
32nd Vipers (Getting there)
Inner Circle
Elysion
-X-Treme

If I forgot your fleet name, I apologize. But these fleets and the people in these fleets and the leaders of these fleets have taken upon themselves to employ partially, or in total regard to employ a forward stance on acknowledging these things. These are gaming communities that are forward thinking in terms of the game needing work and providing feedback for it.

As I recall, your fleet participated in the rule making process. Your fleet agreed on extends being present.
So when you come off and yell at Pascal like you yelled at me in your TS that TRH made these rules, and try to sabotage his tournament because the rules hurt your feelings then you're gravely mistaken.

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