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# 11
01-01-2013, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by lewstelamon01 View Post
It's too bad there isn't an ability to focus all threat on an AFKer....and making it such that you cannot collect drops/rewards while dead or waiting to respawn would be a little bit overkill...

I'd say the best way would be to tie loot to effort made (other MMOs use this system) but alas, as stated above, most AFKers aren't after the loot, but rather, the rewards for completing the STF.
heh, like in ******** with 'Misdirect' on hunters, give all your damage aggro to one person on your team (The rogue!). Would be a good Science ability I would think

Edit: lawl at the censor blanking out mmo names. that just made my day
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 522
# 12
01-01-2013, 11:02 PM
This is why channels like PublicEliteSTF exists [/channel_join PublicEliteSTF]

Pugging for an STF, especially elite STFs is going to be a horrible experience 3 out of every 5 times. That is why, a community of experienced STFers is needed, and that need is supported by dedicated channels, PESTF (see above), being one. We have 2000+ subscribed members, and growing on a daily basis. We are very laid back and tolerant group of people. Our members are very helpful and if you ask nicely, I'm sure you will always find somebody there to teach you the ropes of STF. The only thing that might tick off the members, is if you don't listen to the plan and as a result, you become a liability and fail optional, or the mission itself (if they wanted that, they would have pugged )

Take a brief glance at channel rules (here). We looking forward to seeing your presence in the channel
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,416
# 13
01-03-2013, 02:20 AM
While people can avoid 99% of them by doing dedicated STF channels, I don't think there is any for Fleet or Romulan Events, so its probably better if Cryptic did implement a Boot System.

Yes, it has potential to be abused, but I'm sure CSR can quickly determine if it's being abused if the same people keep booting people.
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Posts: 727
# 14
01-03-2013, 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sollvax View Post
maybe positive reinforcement??

let people at the end vote for a MVP (but NOT themselves or a fleet member)
and those with a vote get a small reward (like 20 fleet marks or a signed picture of Riker in a Skant)
So how wil this work if i and my fleet mates going to do stf's ??? sometimes we get 1 or 2 from ESTF, they will always be the mvp if we can't vote 4 fleet members.
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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 215
# 15
01-03-2013, 07:58 PM
Honestly if Cryptic would take seriously the "report to GM" feature for these incidents they would work themselves out. If you get a certain number of spam reports your chat is disabled for a time period. Why not do the same if you receive 6 reports of AFK during an event in a 24 hour period then you are ineligible to queue for pve content for 24 hours. the 2nd offense is a one week ban and a warning in game mail. 3rd offense is a total pve queue ban.

Its like this really you have to accept the queue pop. Rarely it is more than one minute. If you click accept and sit there for the entire event you are camping or trolling. If you have a phone call or your grandma is on fire at least notify the group or drop usually if you drop early a replacement will be found.

There is no realistic explanation for somebody to sit and do nothing but need roll the entire event never leaving the spawn point. These people are not playing the game they are abusing the system. I know cryptic can look at the data and see what went on. Stahl tells us every ask the dev that they know exactly this or that or the other whenever somebody suggest something is not working right. So either he is wrong or not.
Commander
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Posts: 394
# 16
01-04-2013, 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by oncara View Post
Could we be provided with the ability to shoot them in future updates.
With guaranteed critical ship/personal injuries.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 114
# 17
01-04-2013, 01:23 PM
There are some good ideas about the problem here, but I think the original poster's was the best...just let us shoot them.
Captain
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# 18
01-04-2013, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzout View Post
There are some good ideas about the problem here, but I think the original poster's was the best...just let us shoot them.
Add in a "Kicked from run if not respawned" and we're good.


Otherwise, they're just going to stay dead until the loot drop at the end and then spawn, grab their **** and run.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 146
The fact that there is an unforgiving STF leaver penalty in place but
absolutely nothing has been done to address STF AFKers defies
comprehension. I would a hundred times rather someone just leave than
take up a spot which won't be filled and get the rewards for no work
to boot.

Do I use the report button to notify a GM about STF AFKers?
Absolutely. Do I encourage my fellow players to also report the AFKer?
Absolutely. Yet never have I seen an AFKer removed from a STF. I know
the party line is "Well, you don't know what action the GMs take
against reported players." FALSE. Week after week I notice the same
users doing the same thing, ruining STF gameplayer for others.
Therefore obviously either no action is being taken against them or
the action is ineffective.

We aren't even allowed to name and shame those who participate in this
deplorable behavior. Now I do understand the need for a "no calling
out" policy because of what it would lead to in the forums - HOWEVER -
if you are going to put that restriction on us, the players, the one
mechanism we do have to combat this sort of bad behavior then the onus
is doubly on the devs to take action.

I want to give PWE entertainment the benefit of the doubt, but at this
point it is getting hard to believe the reports aren't going straight
in the "cylindrical filing bin" or that certain players are exempt
from serious action being taken against their account due to the
amount of financial support they have put into the game.

Now, I understand that rewards for STFs aren't meant to be
individually performance based and I like that. It is a team event,
and if your team succeeds then everyone gets equal rewards. This
encourages diverse gameplay as everyone may not contribute to the team
effort in the same way and it is hard to measure the performance of
different playstyles against eachother. For example, how do you
measure a player using crowd control against someone who is dealing
damage? That being said, right now a player can enter a STF and NOT
MOVE A SINGLE INCH, NOT USE A SINGLE ABILITY, NOT HIT A SINGLE KEY,
and the reward drop appears at their ship at the end of the match.
There MUST be a better solution than this.

There are many controls which could be implemented that wouldn't
adversely effect folks at all who were genuinely playing the game. A
bare minimum amount of damage and/or healing. A much shortened AFK
timer. A requisite number of abilities fired off. Requirements to
travel a certain distance. The ability for a vote to kick a player (4
votes required.) Could someone still find a way around some of these
measures? Yes. Might someone still get over on the system? Yes. But it
is still better than doing nothing!!!

The feet dragging on this is inexcusable. This should be priority
number ONE. And oh yeah... in the meantine, if you get AFKers in your
match, just leave so that they won't benefit from your hard work (As
long as you're ready to get a 1 hour STF BAN! OOOOH THE IRONY...)
Republic Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 871
# 20
01-16-2013, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by lewstelamon01 View Post
It's too bad there isn't an ability to focus all threat on an AFKer....and making it such that you cannot collect drops/rewards while dead or waiting to respawn would be a little bit overkill...

I'd say the best way would be to tie loot to effort made (other MMOs use this system) but alas, as stated above, most AFKers aren't after the loot, but rather, the rewards for completing the STF.

Make the fixed rewards much smaller and tie effort into getting top rewards. Total DPS/Healing, number of kills/assists, and number of needs vs greeds vs passes.
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