Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 21
01-03-2013, 07:38 AM
I fly the fleet Defiant in PVE it facerolls everything But hive elite where I get a lot of one shot kills on me

Nothing else in the game really challenges this ship
Jellico....Engineer.....Stargazer KDF Tac
Saphire.. Science.....Ko'el Rom Kdf Tac
Leva........Tactical.....Mailu KDF Sci

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Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 210
# 22
01-03-2013, 08:06 AM
For a pure soldier ship I suggest the fleet TER. Being a tac only, all I dream of is firepower and the F-TER delivers. With a lot of tweaking (space assignments and Boff's) I've even managed to goose survivability to a degree that I didn't think possible not to long ago. Weapons: Plasma boat, 1 Romulan DHC, 2 fleet DHC's, 2 fleet turrets and the Omega set (torp, cutting beam and a-console).
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# 23
01-03-2013, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by cliftona91 View Post
Why isn't the Fleet Saber on this list? It has the same layout as the Fleet Patrol, but has slightly better manuverability, on par with a Defiant. It is just as good as the Fleet Patrol.

Don't say 'It's the low Shield Modifier' because like other retrofitted tier 2 ships, it has some sort of hidden bonuses to it.
Because its worse than the fleet patrol in every single way except for 1 turn rating
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# 24
01-03-2013, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by lasonio View Post

The other escorts folishly give up that pivotal eng slot for a tac one slot, that tac one slot is just weird it's like the tail wagging th dog their is not any more potential damage in that so I'm not sure why people say their is if their is any it has to be Beam O one or something since EPtW far out classes it if it's anything other then that and even then over the length of the skill you will do more damage. So unless those other ships have some super nova console which most do I wouldn't bother with them... unless I was just buying the ship to move the console like if you get the temporal set... talk about worth the effort.
Exactly right. The ensign tac slot is a killer for many escorts.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Nov 2012
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# 25
01-03-2013, 08:34 AM
fleet advanced is t4, does that count...


really depends on what you wanna do

making a tact mobi with all engi boffs is nice.

armitage has the aux to struct 2 and danubes going for it.

but in all honesty the fleet advanced excels at dps over the armitage due to grav well.

breen wins hands down with 4 dhcs and 4 turrets, no torps, all spreads and scatters.

i cant wait for the fleet armitage though.
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 251
# 26
01-03-2013, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by xantris View Post
Because its worse than the fleet patrol in every single way except for 1 turn rating
On paper, it may seem that way. But the little escort can take nearly as good of a beating as the Patrol Escort. Sure, it has weaker hull, but if you think about it, these days, a few thousand extra hull is nothing when under fire by multiple ships.
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# 27
01-04-2013, 01:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cliftona91 View Post
Why isn't the Fleet Saber on this list? It has the same layout as the Fleet Patrol, but has slightly better manuverability, on par with a Defiant. It is just as good as the Fleet Patrol.

Don't say 'It's the low Shield Modifier' because like other retrofitted tier 2 ships, it has some sort of hidden bonuses to it.

Yes, she does have the layout but her hull and shield mods drops off not just a little but a whole hell of a lot this is not small this is around 5-6k and around 33% on the shields. Even with the correct lay out (The Invincible Escort layout) YOu can't actually be a tier five ship and be out down by the patrol escort itself and be considered equal, we want to step up in quality not step back
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# 28
01-04-2013, 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by cliftona91 View Post
On paper, it may seem that way. But the little escort can take nearly as good of a beating as the Patrol Escort. Sure, it has weaker hull, but if you think about it, these days, a few thousand extra hull is nothing when under fire by multiple ships.
nearly as good is not as good as well as good and because of the rapid advancement of players forum hoping and getting their hands on end game builds without having the talent to back the builds then yes it diluted the game a bit... well a lot... it's like putting a sugar cube into a pitcher of sea water and wondering where the sweetness went.

Because of the affluence of the DHC's the player cure-all atm ships like the HEC and the Bug and the Defiant and such are getting these massive passes they don't really deserve. The Fleet defiant gets one shotted in Elite all the time when even in my measly little patrol escort, (I can't afford to get the Fleet patrol yet dam college and it's terrible ways) I have to be hit two-three times by her uber torps to be put down so that automatically pushes the defiant out of the race of sturdiest.

The Hec is not as good as players think it is. Because it can mount DJC's players can'd see it, and again it's a problem with the DHC's When you see players with what I like to all the active denial system (BFaW, wwhy do I call it this? It's actively denies plays to use stationable items on the field. IE Pet's Torps, mines, satellites) Because of the ability TO ME A PLAYER WITH BFaW is FAR more important then a player with rapid fire and DHC's (Is it true, not really, in one on ones DHC's will shred a soso player to a good player but to a player like me DHC's alone will not kill me but because they nerfed beams when befaw came out then my weapons will not actually kill you either so it will come to a draw if you are elite caliber in pvp. They are beginning to realize the mistakes they made with pvp and are releasing anti DHC weapons and items so keep that in mind.) But if they kill your pets you just saw them in half with your DHC's so you cant see how terrible and unbalanced it's layout is. The moment the pets ae gone the HEC try' to unsuccesfuly become a lowgrade escort.

But players take DHC's and let that be the be all cure and assume that blowing up is art of the territory, it shouldn't be. With my buld if i toss DHC's in her and remove my beams then i would be beyond uber.... I'd be like... what's a crazy cool word for my level....kittymomo? yeah, i'd be kittymomo level of awesome

but anywho, if you don't do pvp then i don't think you can call yourself elite because you don't know your weaknesses.. you have to est you weakness constantly and nothing quite scratches that itch gnawing at the back of your skull quite like pvp 1v1... am I bark or am I bite? Am I talented or am I a poser? Am I Me or am I you parading as me?
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# 29
01-04-2013, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by lasonio View Post
nearly as good is not as good as well as good and because of the rapid advancement of players forum hoping and getting their hands on end game builds without having the talent to back the builds then yes it diluted the game a bit... well a lot... it's like putting a sugar cube into a pitcher of sea water and wondering where the sweetness went.

Because of the affluence of the DHC's the player cure-all atm ships like the HEC and the Bug and the Defiant and such are getting these massive passes they don't really deserve. The Fleet defiant gets one shotted in Elite all the time when even in my measly little patrol escort, (I can't afford to get the Fleet patrol yet dam college and it's terrible ways) I have to be hit two-three times by her uber torps to be put down so that automatically pushes the defiant out of the race of sturdiest.

The Hec is not as good as players think it is. Because it can mount DJC's players can'd see it, and again it's a problem with the DHC's When you see players with what I like to all the active denial system (BFaW, wwhy do I call it this? It's actively denies plays to use stationable items on the field. IE Pet's Torps, mines, satellites) Because of the ability TO ME A PLAYER WITH BFaW is FAR more important then a player with rapid fire and DHC's (Is it true, not really, in one on ones DHC's will shred a soso player to a good player but to a player like me DHC's alone will not kill me but because they nerfed beams when befaw came out then my weapons will not actually kill you either so it will come to a draw if you are elite caliber in pvp. They are beginning to realize the mistakes they made with pvp and are releasing anti DHC weapons and items so keep that in mind.) But if they kill your pets you just saw them in half with your DHC's so you cant see how terrible and unbalanced it's layout is. The moment the pets ae gone the HEC try' to unsuccesfuly become a lowgrade escort.

But players take DHC's and let that be the be all cure and assume that blowing up is art of the territory, it shouldn't be. With my buld if i toss DHC's in her and remove my beams then i would be beyond uber.... I'd be like... what's a crazy cool word for my level....kittymomo? yeah, i'd be kittymomo level of awesome

but anywho, if you don't do pvp then i don't think you can call yourself elite because you don't know your weaknesses.. you have to est you weakness constantly and nothing quite scratches that itch gnawing at the back of your skull quite like pvp 1v1... am I bark or am I bite? Am I talented or am I a poser? Am I Me or am I you parading as me?
I'm not quite understanding what you are meaning sir, but I will simply say this about my choice of the Saber Retrofit over the Patrol Escort: I really don't like the look of the Patrol Escort, I think it looks quite ugly in my opinion, and I usually go for looks as well as function. And I like the boff layout of the Saber Retrofit and like the different skins it had (especially the Gladius one).

Now you might say, "You gimped yourself by going for looks too" but my philosophy is this: If you can make something you love work for you, then to hell what anybody else thinks. You may think my choice was subpar, but I am doing quite well in the little Saber, so more power to me.
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# 30
01-04-2013, 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cliftona91 View Post
I'm not quite understanding what you are meaning sir, but I will simply say this about my choice of the Saber Retrofit over the Patrol Escort: I really don't like the look of the Patrol Escort, I think it looks quite ugly in my opinion, and I usually go for looks as well as function. And I like the boff layout of the Saber Retrofit and like the different skins it had (especially the Gladius one).

Now you might say, "You gimped yourself by going for looks too" but my philosophy is this: If you can make something you love work for you, then to hell what anybody else thinks. You may think my choice was subpar, but I am doing quite well in the little Saber, so more power to me.
This by far is the truest thing I have ever heard in this thread, this person, i like.

I don't know about the ugly part, because I do love me some patrol escort, but the rest is true. "To thine own self be true."

Make your ship work for you, weakness to another is strength to another.
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