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Captain
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# 51
01-04-2013, 08:01 PM
Has a 'good' premade team been tried recently that did pack all or mostly damage? I mean a good team with good players just to see what happened?

I'd be really curious with the extremely large variety of ships that pack DHCs and a good number of tac boff slots what a good premade could come up with that would literly just steamroll the enemy. I mean no ship at all can survive the spike without RSP and that can be nuked.

And I'm sure atleast five people will call me a moronic noob and it won't work and nobody needs to try it but I'm legitimately curious, especially once the fleet shields are fixed, what would happen.

You have the Vesta, you have the Armatige, MVAE, not to mention time ship, recluse, and likely a few others that I'm forgetting about that could all bring a scatter volley of death. Especially with the rommie passive that would just be entertaining. And no I'm not suggesting just the DHCs would win the fight, that Vesta could be packing a nice VM3 and so on.
Rihannsu
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# 52
01-05-2013, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by p2wsucks View Post
To be fair some of the newer PvE has been built w/other professions in mind, eg NWS, Fleet Freighter escort, the Tholian space one where you can TBR NPCs away while another player turns off TBs holding the Romulan ships, etc. But, yeah generally DPS wins in PvE.
NWS is a 5 tac DPS spam fest operation. Engies do not make up for the lack of DPS. THe single attempt of Cryptic to design something other then a DPS race has failed utterly. SUre you can put your tacs in cruisers and sci ships etc to mix it up for NWS, but engies have no place in NWS.

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# 53
01-05-2013, 07:50 AM
Hi guys, newbie here, but I've already noticed alot about cannons, especially the DHC. Just yesterday I finally unlocked the KDF, so thus I made my KDF character ( an alien that looks like a Klingon so I can choose my 4 space traits because I'm lame like that lol ).

I was already using cannons etc on my Fed escort but just singles, I liked the damage but now I've got the BoP I've stuck 2x DHC on the front along with a torp launcher and 2 turrets on the aft.

I'm a newb and I don't know much, I doubt this build will be efficient in advanced PvP but it's working for me right now. I cycle 2 Cannon rapid fires and 2 high yield torps constantly, just yesterday in an arena PvP with this build I just about ***** everything. The fed ships were struggling to even get close, I shredded them like no tommorow, I think I got 14 of the 15 kills our team needed to win, with 260k damage, the next closest damage to me was a team mate who got 130k. Now this isn't end game PvP I know, and as awesome as it was, it felt incredibly cheap and had me slightly worried about the endgame balance, considering any time I could see I was about to be outnumbered I battle cloaked and maneuvered away before they could gank me, then returned to pick one of them off from behind.

Now considering I don't know crap about equipment and how it all works properly I'm left guessing just exactly how unbalanced the game is, or atleast if that my enemies were just complete trash even though they were all higher level than me, perhaps they were just as clueless as me, except I've found a cheap build to dominate low level PvP.
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# 54
01-05-2013, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by wolverine595959 View Post
Until you see 3 BOv miss in a row. I had a Cannon DBB raptor and it was so depressing to get a shield facing down and watch the BOv hit open air ad that is with Acc x 2 DBB. Since the engine in the game is so crappy and my torps no longer show up I do not get disappointed when THY volley has 2 out 3 miss.

I'm assuming you're talking Single Arrays. In which case even with the higher miss rate, from Overload your over all damage will -still- be higher.

ACC2 CrtH is for DBBs. Not singles.

This is in large part to the sheer volume of fire you will have with beam arrays, vs a DBB.

DHCs, and Single beams are balanced well. If I can score top damage on a TSI premade with a beam tacxcelsior and not have to realistically worrying about dying in my chosen ship then the power is there. Ya'll are just doinitwrong Beams are also flat out the best hands down for clearing spam. Their power is to pressure (with vastly over capped weapon power. Which by the way beams respond the Best to out of every weapon in the game), and annihilate spam. It doesn't matter how many of those new rommy torps you guys fire, or carrier pets you launch down range. My TacXcelsior can and will almost single handedly keep it all cleaned off the field and I'll still be able to contribute to my teams over all murder power.

The only thing Wrong in STO right now, is debatably the Engineer. And that's only because of how screwy Nadion Inversion is.

The Azn Grind is a huge problem too but that's not going away.

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# 55
01-05-2013, 01:08 PM
a bloated FAW score board number has nothing to do with effectiveness, and FAW is only marginally good at dealing with spam because its average accuracy is about 75%. the evasive plasma torps would proboly drive that accuracy even lower with all the times they wil miss.

and if you use FAW, you arent even dealing pressure damage, let alone anything close to useful damage.

im lobbying for them to deal at least good pressure damage, sorta like how OP faw used to do, but only to 1 target at a time.
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# 56
01-05-2013, 01:16 PM
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a bloated FAW score board number has nothing to do with effectiveness, and FAW is only marginally good at dealing with spam because its average accuracy is about 75%. the evasive plasma torps would proboly drive that accuracy even lower with all the times they wil miss.

and if you use FAW, you arent even dealing pressure damage, let alone anything close to useful damage.

im lobbying for them to deal at least good pressure damage, sorta like how OP faw used to do, but only to 1 target at a time.

I think you need to watch my Death To Carrier Spam vid if you think Faw is only marginal at clearing spam, also yesterday I dealt with a Premade that had like 3 ships with that lol plas torp, mines, and a carrier spamming. And their total impact on the match was nigh on zero because of Double Faw spamming and warp plasma all tac buffed.

Also, I can still do solid damage with faw isn't up. When I don't use FAW I typically have Overloads 2 and 3, or Delta 1 and BO3. And the ship is still good enough to help take an enemy premade and take it to pieces.

People expect 'zomg insta pop'' with weapons because of DHCs. But that's not how beams work. There's a large host of factors that play with single beams. One of them being the fact that frankly unless you have 8 of them you aren't doing good pressure damage, unless your 8th weapon is a tric mine maybe.
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# 57
01-05-2013, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mavhax View Post
I think you need to watch my Death To Carrier Spam vid if you think Faw is only marginal at clearing spam, also yesterday I dealt with a Premade that had like 3 ships with that lol plas torp, mines, and a carrier spamming. And their total impact on the match was nigh on zero because of Double Faw spamming and warp plasma all tac buffed.

Also, I can still do solid damage with faw isn't up. When I don't use FAW I typically have Overloads 2 and 3, or Delta 1 and BO3. And the ship is still good enough to help take an enemy premade and take it to pieces.

People expect 'zomg insta pop'' with weapons because of DHCs. But that's not how beams work. There's a large host of factors that play with single beams. One of them being the fact that frankly unless you have 8 of them you aren't doing good pressure damage, unless your 8th weapon is a tric mine maybe.
oh i know all about carrier shutdown, get a certain satisfaction keeping them covered in plasma as often as possible. the problem with beam pressure in an arena setting is that even at its best, a TSS, or an ES, are a fresh cycle of EPtS can largely wash away its effect. only someone alone and unsupported for several minutes will feel the burn of unending pressure. and for that singles hurt harder, even a 3rd harder. CSV is proboly better then faw for clearing spam if you do a little focusing.

right now, 1 beam for and aft and the rest singles and turrets is being surprisingly effective with a CRF and BO3 on my fleet excelsior. superior pressure, enough to drop shield facings, and a nice 6-22k BO to the hull is a perfect mix of all beams ability to spike a bit, and single cannon's better pressure.

did you get a fleet excel? its a bargain if you already got the normal one from the c store. better shields and hulll and a 4th tac console. very nice.
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# 58
01-05-2013, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
oh i know all about carrier shutdown, get a certain satisfaction keeping them covered in plasma as often as possible. the problem with beam pressure in an arena setting is that even at its best, a TSS, or an ES, are a fresh cycle of EPtS can largely wash away its effect. only someone alone and unsupported for several minutes will feel the burn of unending pressure. and for that singles hurt harder, even a 3rd harder. CSV is proboly better then faw for clearing spam if you do a little focusing.

right now, 1 beam for and aft and the rest singles and turrets is being surprisingly effective with a CRF and BO3 on my fleet excelsior. superior pressure, enough to drop shield facings, and a nice 6-22k BO to the hull is a perfect mix of all beams ability to spike a bit, and single cannon's better pressure.

did you get a fleet excel? its a bargain if you already got the normal one from the c store. better shields and hulll and a 4th tac console. very nice.
You'd be surprised really. It's all about maxin that GDF bonus

No not yet. The thought of giving cryptic money makes me queasy. did it get an ensign tac or still ens eng?
Captain
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# 59
01-05-2013, 02:50 PM
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No not yet. The thought of giving cryptic money makes me queasy. did it get an ensign tac or still ens eng?
I got mine completely free but sadly it is still laden with that darned ensign eng
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# 60
01-05-2013, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
[...]
im lobbying for them to deal at least good pressure damage, sorta like how OP faw used to do, but only to 1 target at a time.
So in other words, a "beam rapid fire" power?
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