Career Officer
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# 11
01-07-2013, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by meurik View Post
For Klingons, they would need their own "flavor" mini-games... Location: Rura Penthe, ofcourse

I do like the sound of this Risa proposal. Doubt it will ever come to existence, but I still like the sound of it. Risa, and Andoria are very nice looking "social zones". But there is no purpose to them at current, so nobody visits those places.

EDIT: I kinda agree with centersolace. Risa may be better suited for a "Summer Event" adventure zone, which -could- be accessable to both Factions. Although Risa is historically a Federation planet, there are times when Klingons have been given shore-leave access to Federation facilities. Most notably, Deep Space K-7 (Trouble with Tribbles), and Deep Space Nine (multiple times).
I think the deeper problem is that visiting Risa is a T5 Marauding perk.

However...

Maybe they could add a Risa and a Rura Penthe at the same time. Feds need to get max Diplomacy to do Rura Penthe rep. Klingons need max Marauding to start Risa rep.

Then of course the remaining problem is making further lopsided rewards for the most heavily rewarded DOff categories while others have none.
Captain
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# 12
01-07-2013, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by meurik View Post
EDIT: I kinda agree with centersolace. Risa may be better suited for a "Summer Event" adventure zone, which -could- be accessable to both Factions. Although Risa is historically a Federation planet, there are times when Klingons have been given shore-leave access to Federation facilities. Most notably, Deep Space K-7 (Trouble with Tribbles), and Deep Space Nine (multiple times).
I see no reason most of the activities on Risa couldn't be available all year round, I just think that the costumes would be more suited to a summer event like the winter coats.

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I like the idea of mini games at Risa, but I dont think it should be done in any sort of conspiracy or story esque way. Instead, I think it would better to just have players take leave at Risa, where they could do various mini games for relaxation.
Why not? Star Trek had those kinds of episodes all the time.

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Another idea to get more people to hang out at Risa is to have random drops of goodies appear in hidden areas. It would be pretty awesome if, for instance, you could go "swimming" at Risa and discover some dilithium treasure or some unique type of thing. I am not sure if this could feasibly be programmed though. Also, you could have mini diplomacy missions, where you can encounter randomly placed NPC vacationers who you strike up a conversation with and then do something positive for.
Yes this would be very nice... Cryptic has repeatedly said that swimming tech is very hard for the game engine, but if they did it, we would never regret it.

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Given the low cut bare belly coats for winter the summer outfit should be full length victorian swimwear
YES!!! BLOOMERS AHOY!!!!
http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o633/centersolace/189cux9khvl6ojpg_zpsca7ccff0.jpg

So inhumane superweapons, mass murder, and canon nonsense is okay, but speedos are too much for some people.
Commander
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# 13
01-07-2013, 08:29 PM
Or just create a summer festival on some neutral third party-planet. Probably not Romulus as it has its own adventure zone. Can Klingons visit, say, Bajor? Give whoever did that architecture a chance to go out for another spin!
Rihannsu
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# 14
01-07-2013, 08:56 PM
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I think the deeper problem is that visiting Risa is a T5 Marauding perk.
T4, T5 is Transwarp to the Parking lot in Cardassian Space and having the right to complain about no customization for enemy faction BO.

But it really should not be Risa but a more "Neutral" place.
Lt. Commander
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Why not move Risa to, say, Regulus or Eta Eridani sector block? And part of the missions the players do at each tier is to investigate the cause. I'm sure we can find some other super-being other than Q to do it.

And if you do it, there MUST be a targ hunting preserve, with easy/advanced/elite targs for pelts that can be turned in for costume unlocks!
Career Officer
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# 16
01-07-2013, 10:06 PM
I kinda like it. If I may?

Ahem.

Since the core of this idea is Fed-oriented with no single satisfactory way of working around it that wouldn't seem slapdash, the only other choice I see (beyond just not doing it) is creating a Klingon equivalent.

Imagine, if you will, a world somewhere in Klingon space. It is a rugged world, but not without its places of peace and tranquility. And a Ferengi with a keen eye and a loads of latinum has bought it. There, he builds an arena, fitted with everything the discerning Klingon, Gorn, or Nausicaan warrior might desire. Naturally, there is also an extensive bar, outfitted with facilities for Orions to entertain, and always stocked full of drunk patrons for other Orions or Letheans to pry information out of.

Naturally no race is shoehorned into any activity. But the themes would gravitate towards certain races, making for a slightly better fit.

You'd have a few activities here:
  • An Arena(s) where players fight three opponents in single combat for Currently Nameless Tokens (CNTs). Utilizes the existing arena tech from an early KDF mission!
  • A "dancing" minigame in which a player dances, occasionally fending off rude advances with the goal being not to overly anger any customers. Less angry patrons means more CNTs.
  • Bouncer minigame in which the player keeps rowdy customers away from the dancers - with force. Moar CNTs! Basic "tag defeated foe" mechanic, again already existing.
  • An espionage/assassination minigame in which the player speaks to an informant who singles out a bar patron. The player lures the patron away as smoothly and kills them. This would have three or four rotating potential targets who require different dialogs to lure out.

Would use basically the same toned-down Rep system OP proposed using CNTs as input. Rewards at T5 could range from a Vulcan Love Slave photonic BOff to Arena-themed costume unlocks.


I think, to address the problem with the proposed Rise minigames, a similar approach to the Klingon ones suggested needs to be taken. Use as much existing tech as possible.

For example, the Bouncer minigame and "tag enemy" tech could be applied to... a Peeping Tom-stopping minigame. Some women on the north shore are tired of these morons trying to peek into the women's sauna or something, so the player stands outside and roflstomps the NPC's who run up and try to take a peek. If the player can knock them out before the "Peeping" counter fills up, more Horgh'gans! For an extra laugh, tack on an interactable peephole the player can use outside the mini-game (but if you do you take damage and get knocked back with a gag dialog fly-by from your accompanying BOff that says "I don't think that's wise, sir..."!)

Likewise, the Arena minigame could translate to Risa as "the toughest (wo)man on the beach", in which you beat down smug YOLO-ing swag-proclaiming posers to impress the crowd and rid the world of another meat-head.
Commander
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# 17
01-07-2013, 10:36 PM
simple statement NO!
risa is for relaxiation maybe a few more little things added caves look out points rope bridges everything else no. look at new romulus adventure zone dangerous creatures invaders armys of tal shiar tholions digging around and tagging weird dogs there isnt many places to enjoy the views do rp without a cloaking hunter trying to beat you up risa simply isnt like that a new risa bigger more to explore look at but some type of rep system? why not do that with vulcan learn more about spock or logic or something while doing it idk lol (is some what amused)
Survivor of Romulus
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# 18
01-07-2013, 10:44 PM
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What about making a better Risa Map? The current one sucks.
Actually I like the map. It just needs MOR.
Captain
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# 19
01-08-2013, 12:22 PM
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Proposed Revamp
The social map would be reworked into an adventure zone in the same manner as New Romulus, with various mini-games and activities rewarding reputation marks. These can then be contributed towards a simplified reputation system that unlocks story missions at each Tier.
Better might be to leave the current map mostly intact but possibly add a few new NPCs who you can interact with, while adding a new section that is the adventure zone.


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Reputation System
The Risan Reputation System would be a toned-down version of its Omega and New Romulus counterparts, open to Captain (Level 30) players, with five tiers and a total completion time of around 30 days of continuous gameplay.

The sole input would be Risan Marks or Horga'hns on "upgrade projects" - the system would neither require nor reward dilithium.
This means Cryptic can't make a penny off of it, therefore the project will never happen because it is unfunded. Moderate Dil costs would be fine (half the current rep system).

Given the non-combat nature of it, open this to level 20+ but add some experience/skill costs to the projects.

Finally, we are talking a leisure planet using various types of booze the way that current rep projects use commodities and consumables should also be considered. Again, having it be marks only I just don't think would be accepted. Marks, experience, and one or two types of alcohol and a bit of dilithium where appropriate. That fits the established pattern, that gives cryptic money, that makes it possible.

This would also tie it in nicely to the bartender doff missions and could give some interesting new bartender and/or entertainer doffs as reputation awards.

Another thing I was thinking is adding a new rare commodity. not unlike the romulan research tokens for their duty officer mission, have something tied to the minigames that gives a unique risian commodity akin to tulaberries or ferasan nepeta, and consume it with a 4-part doff mission chain that parallels the other commodity chains. You could possibly have this commodity be consumed when buying from the reputation store after you have unlocked items.

This gives people who don't want to bother with reputation something to do in orbit (get the location based doff mission) and a way to cash in via the auction house and help those of us who are doing stuff.
Captain
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# 20
01-08-2013, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
I think the deeper problem is that visiting Risa is a T5 Marauding perk.

However...

Maybe they could add a Risa and a Rura Penthe at the same time. Feds need to get max Diplomacy to do Rura Penthe rep. Klingons need max Marauding to start Risa rep.

Then of course the remaining problem is making further lopsided rewards for the most heavily rewarded DOff categories while others have none.
Most of the entertainment, gambling, shore leave missions are in development. Finding a way to add more there might be better than diplomacy.

A work around to the diplomacy gate for klings would be via the embassy: just have an embassy on Risa, and let klings walk out the front door or use the shuttle bay. They can't get into orbit without diplomacy, but they can get to the embassy and from there walk around the planet.
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