Captain
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# 1421
01-08-2013, 10:43 AM
Interesting CSE's the last few nights-apparently in Normal there's a new "Strategy" that's leaked over to the Elites- team splits three ways, uses CSV, Torp Spread, and FAW on whole stacks-result is predictable:

Cubes are AWAKE and there are three Negh'vars and their escorts out simultaneously with mostly-full cube stacks and 3/5 or more of the team in respawn.

Now, I'm saying this must be a leak-over from "Normal" because I've observed this in PUGs with people who aren't the same people, multiple times, on multiple toons, starting about four or five days ago-so it's not disorder, it's an attempt at a Strategy of some sort.

I could see this as maybe working in CSN, because the spawns aren't that tough and you don't start seeing the Negh'vars until you've actually dropped a cube over there-but in Elite, the first probe in the second row that goes, spawns the Negh and a Raptor-which is considerably tougher than the "Normal" difficulty spawn of Raptors-i.e. AOE attack at the kickoff makes more sense there, since the spawns are weaker and the Cubes are neither as tough, nor as quick to react, as they are in Elite.

I assume they're trying to 'clear the spawns' quickly before dropping cubes-a laudable, if misplaced, idea, and of course there's the eternal chasing of "The Optional"...

but guys, this isn't WORKING in Elite. Seriously. In CSE, you don't NEED AOE attacks, you need precision attacks-clear the probes one-layer-at-a-time, one stack at a time, in whatever pattern the team agrees to at the start, that way you still have firepower when the Negh'vars spawn (and thus, the ability to take THEM down quickly, instead of being focus-fired by a Negh, the cube, and the Raptor-and sometimes the BoPs!!!)

Use AOE if you're defending the Kang from BoP spawns, not when you're attacking hte Cubes-because even with MACO shields and the T4 rep shield-buff AND the right DoFFs, you're not going to be lasting long enough to clear the Negh,Raptor, and BoPs by yourself, while fending off the Cube's attacks!

"elite" does NOT play like "Normal" difficulty.

Spawn too many Negh'vars all at once without your backup, and you're going to blow the MISSION, forget about the Optional-blown mission means NO OPTIONAL.
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# 1422
01-08-2013, 01:45 PM
Not exactly my worst stf experience, but this guy annoyed me so much he's been on my mind since yesterday and has effectively made me post in this thread.

So we got into khitomer ground elite (easily the easiest stf in the game). Throwing the usual hello and discussing the usual tactic skipping the first room. Before we're done preparing, this guy carrying two antiproton pew pew pistols runs straight through the door triggering timer. Shrugged it off, minor annoyance. We head in to not lose any time on optional. 2 min later I notice this guy is full of injuries (most of them critical and major) and does not remodulate. First "facepalm". Next, he's always rushing in to heavy tac, no buff or nothing, without a remodulator. Obviously he's the first to die, piling on more injuries. That's fine, that's expected. BUT and a big BUTTTTTTTT, everytime he died he spammed the help button like crazy, I mean wtf???? There were easily twenty help requests in team chat. I mean I always have my fleet chat on, where there are usually 100+ discussing builds, fleet events etc... But all I could see were his screams for help! Argh. Pretty distracting, so distracting in fact my teammates were forced to resurrect him just to make him stop. Next death repeat ad nauseam. We did blow up the 6 generators and the 2 IMRs in time, the team was that good. Which makes me wonder how much faster it all would have been if he was just a little bit more decent? Then Tosk of borg came and Mister pew pew pistols shoot him up with all the accumulated injuries and adapted debuff. Sigh... At that point, I sent him a text asking him if he was trolling Lawl.

I have to ask. Was this dude serious? My only regret is not doing the obvious thing to do, adding him to my ignore list. He might still make it cuz I remember his nick and fleet name lol.
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# 1423
01-08-2013, 02:35 PM
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Obvious stupid is obvious. I woulda just ignored him and moved on with my life. After warning everyone in the channel he joined from that he was an idiot. Or if this was a pug, then you kinda brought it on yourself.
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# 1424
01-08-2013, 02:54 PM
I'm quite confident, that this tactics can work with three in CSE IF it's me, Ferdzso and some other hi-DPS-er fleet-mate (I don't include the Cobalt-3M miners, cause they're another matter). I switched to total AoE setup since last week, and I know that Ferdzso has a higher DPS in his Vesta than I do in my 5 Tactical consoles ship. But I wouldn't try it in a PuG (and I'm a PuG-er). As an example is the following story:
I joined in a CSE. 2 goes M, 1 goes L and I go R...in a few seconds I saw that the fifth did go L as well. No biggie, I can take care of R well before the timer's up...or so I thought. When you have 2 ships at a lane, you expect that they wouldn't miss the spam - wrong! I had to go to the Kang on a few occasions to clear BoPs...and yet I managed to do my job and do some more cleaning after that while waiting for the others to do theirs. Needles to say, we lost the optional by 20 seconds. Very inefficient.

My last fail was yesterday - I did ISE because it was late an I had to make my daily quota of dilithium.The team was a complete fail - all in rainbow colours (care bears sounds nice though ) and as you can all guess - non-existent DPS. I GW the bunch of spheres, but..I alone can't make a chain reaction as is expected. So..we chased the spheres and the cube for almost 30 minutes. I haven't tanked as much since the times in my star cruiser months ago - and the switch from resilient to covariant shield almost led me to tears - I'm still adjusting to it.
The thing in ISE is, that you can tell if the team is ok, good or very good by the time you have cleared the left side - 11 mins - ok, 12 mins - good, and everything faster means that there's nothing that can go wrong.

Again - 4 STFs today, and too many care bears fans in them.

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# 1425
01-08-2013, 03:58 PM
I did a CSE yesterday that just seemed doomed to failure.

I warp in, people generally go in the direction of the right probes. I and someone else take care of the first BoP spawns, an then I decide to go help out with the probes and the Negh'var that will inevitably spawn. So we kill all right probes and this cruiser with every color of the rainbow firing is hacking away at the cube, slowly. We're shouting to him not to blow it and we quickly rush to take care of the middle probes.

Too late. Green flash as we start on them.

One guy gets angry and says "this is doomed I'm leaving." and he bails on us. Now we're down to four - one of which is full of rainbows and obviously doesn't speak English. So another escort and I continuously kill the raptors as the two other people slowly work their way through the probes. I notice Mr. Rainbows is sitting as far as conceivably possible from them, just making pretty lights (he is doing some damage, he blew the right cube himself after all).

So they finish the probes and I rush there to quickly pop the cube. We clean up the raptors and negh'vars, then the round goes as it normally would. We only lost the optional due to time.

So despite the awful start to an obviously terrible PuG, we made it with 3 & 1/2 effective players (I say 1/2 because Mr. Rainbows wasn't doing too much, but was doing something).
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# 1426
01-08-2013, 05:18 PM
I have never been more ashamed of a group out of the PublicEliteSTF channel until last night. It was late, so I decided to do a nice easy ISE before hitting the sack. If only I knew what I was in for, I probably would have taken some liquid courage and a bong hit (and I don't do that kind of stuff to begin with). I'm still running my Chel'Gret through her paces on one of my toons, making sure I have all the bugs out of the system. So we start, and I am immediately laughing, because there are five. I say again, FIVE Breen warships in there.

So we slaughter the first patrol with almost obscene ease. We breeze through the gens and transformers, and then slaughter the spheres. 12:35 left on timer. We do a rinse and repeat on the other side. Transformer goes down with 10:24 left on timer. And then it all goes horribly wrong.

We start on the spheres, but then someone activates their scorpion fighter device. I thought they were doing it for the lulz, and the fighters didn't do anything other than aggro the remaining spheres over to us. We all laugh at the guy and someone else launches them for lulz too. The little romulan *******s fly straight at the tac cube and die. I noticed and called out "tac cube on the move". The rest of the team acknowledges and we redouble our efforts on the gate... who suddenly decides we all need to die. One second we're all sitting at 7km blasting away at the gate, it's only shooting pot shots back, then all of a sudden the gate goes bat **** crazy.

It's BAs suddenly start doing 3k damage per hit, which on my borg shields don't mean much since I can regen that pretty quickly, but the other warships not doing so well, start to pull back, but the gate is merciless. It practically destroys one of the other breen ships with a quick cannon into torp combo, all of us shoot him a HE, and he's good, then the tac cube shows up. Sufficed to say, the tac cube and gate focus fire us down one at a time, even with energy dissipators and borg tractor beams and breen energy siphons and regular energy siphons goin on the tac cube, the thing just kept on coming.

The two boss class enemies relentlessly destroyed us, one right after the other. I was killed twice, most of my team more than that (I was the only engi, so I had MW to let me live long enough to hit EM3, aka the GTFO button). We finally kill the gate after 5 minutes of this hell, with 4 minutes left on the timer, we turn our attention to the tac cube.

Sufficed to say, that tac cube had it's hagus that morning, cuz it tore us a new one like a scots berserker on an english battle-line. We finally brought that monster down with 20 seconds left on the timer. Between the two of them, the gate and cube must have racked up 20 kills or so. My total death count was only twice, so after the game the team stayed back and chatted about what went wrong.

Those 4 other guys weren't regulars on the PESTF channel, since I hadn't seen them before, and I found out they were ALL running the breen set on the breen ship. And it was only then that I also found out that NONE of them had ANY neutronium or monotanium. One of them had a mk XI blue electroceramic, but apparently all of them were running some sort of power booster in their engi consoles. They were also running flow caps as their sci consoles (no shield emitters, or any actual utility), and NONE of them had the assimilated module.

And as they were listing abilities to each other, the fail was complete. Their BOff setup made me click on leave, it was so terrible.

So yeah... 5 breen warships... not such an easy win after all...

But my next ISE was much better, cleared in 10 minutes flat.
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# 1427
01-08-2013, 06:13 PM
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(I was the only engi, so I had MW to let me live long enough to hit EM3, aka the GTFO button)
Slightly off topic, sure, but....that should so be the icon for EMWhatever. Just a big red button that says either "Haul @$$ NOW" or "GTFOD"
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# 1428
01-08-2013, 08:58 PM
I've got one. Not really an epic fail or anything, but... it figures the one time the Borg's healing doesn't work in ISE is one of those times I pug a team who ignores the chat completely. We could have killed the gate first, easily, instead I tanked the bloody thing alone until they finished everything else the normal way without a word. Shame I couldn't destroy it.
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# 1429
01-09-2013, 03:17 AM
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Obvious stupid is obvious. I woulda just ignored him and moved on with my life. After warning everyone in the channel he joined from that he was an idiot. Or if this was a pug, then you kinda brought it on yourself.
Likewise - this would have prompted a message from me to, the other team members, warning them that I would be closing chat due to the obnoxious fool making it bothersome to keep it open.

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# 1430
01-09-2013, 04:13 AM
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I'm quite confident, that this tactics can work with three in CSE IF it's me, Ferdzso and some other hi-DPS-er fleet-mate (I don't include the Cobalt-3M miners, cause they're another matter). I switched to total AoE setup since last week, and I know that Ferdzso has a higher DPS in his Vesta than I do in my 5 Tactical consoles ship. But I wouldn't try it in a PuG (and I'm a PuG-er). As an example is the following story:
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why am I the only one with the same name on forums (more or less thx to the account linking) as ingame? who are you?

also to be fair, I deal more dps in my vesta than I do in MY 5 tac console escorts so at this point, I would blame the escorts (I know I play them wrong)

and yeah, CSE can easily be done with 3 players. with 4, with RML we did an easy job, and still managed to get a decent time on the timer left (well most pugs and elitestf folks would consider it a great time for even 5 ppl, lolz)
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