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# 31
01-09-2013, 09:19 AM
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# 32
01-09-2013, 12:41 PM
Things I hated
The theme song, bah. Give me martial music for an adventure series, not a John Denver wannabe singing some melancholy dirge.
The NX-01, clearly an Akira with the engines inverted, like they couldn't even bother to design a unique ship for the show, it was too advanced looking, too streamlined, it doesn't look like a design that would have come before the original Enterprise. The ship should have had a much more primitive look, they would have been better off using the ship seen in the opening credits that looked like a Venture Star with warp nacelles and big rocket engines on the back, than a design that just looked out of place with the time line.
The Vulcans, changed from emotionless and logical to paranoid manipulators who have to take drugs because humans stink, these Vulcans would have never made first contact, they would have destroyed the Phoenix and bombed Earth from orbit to prevent the rise of a possible future enemy.
The portrayal of T'pol, a shallow character continuing the tradition of the bimbo in a cat suit bridge bunny from Voyager.
The decontamination chamber, oh yes, lets all get hot and sweaty in our underwear while we rub vasoline on each other, ahhh Yuck.
Plox's medical practices had more in common with that of a savage witch doctor than 20th century medicine let alone 22nd century medicine, great for comic relief but I'd never want to be one of his patients.
Time travel, the temporal cold war, done to death, Berman and Braga pretty much broke this magic reset button by pressing it too often by this time and the whole Xindi war arc was an attempt to rescue the series because they knew the temporal cold war was killing the ratings.
All of the times they broke canon, such as the appearance of Romulans shown flying in ships that were far more advanced than those used in TOS, in TOS they are an unseen enemy flying around in atomic powered sublight clunkers until they exchanged technology with the Klingons, in Enterprise they have ships little different from those they use in TNG.
The appearance of the Borg, centuries before they would be introduced, the introduction of various alien races ie the Suliban and Xindi that would never be heard from again in any of the entire rest of the Television series timelines.
The Captain, sorry but Scott Bakula just doesn't have command presence, as an XO maybe, but as captain, not a chance, he portrayed a character that was just too whiney and immature for the role of captain.
The whole Prequel premise of the show. When you have a long running series it develops a history, a lore of how events took place that you have to adhere to closely in a prequel to avoid looking ridiculous, Enterprise took that History book and mulched it before blowing it out an airlock.
To be fair I might not be giving the series a fair shake because I was over-saturated with all of the previous Treks and any new series just seemed to be milking a franchise that was getting old.
There were a few episodes I did like, the Mirror 2 parter was probably my favorite episodes of the entire series.
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# 33
01-09-2013, 12:59 PM
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Plox's medical practices had more in common with that of a savage witch doctor than 20th century medicine let alone 22nd century medicine, great for comic relief but I'd never want to be one of his patients.
Maggots and leeches are used for some modern medicinal applications, and Phlox does use hyposprays almost as frequently as any of the other series' doctors.
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# 34
01-09-2013, 01:05 PM
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The Theme Song.
Really the only issue I had with it

If they had just a few more seasons I think people coulda warmed up to. Or maybe got into the Eath/Romulan war instead of going back in time to WW2.
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# 35
01-09-2013, 01:25 PM
The more I think about it, the main reasons ENT did so poorly were franchise fatigue and being stuck on UPN. I probably only saw 5 episodes while it was on the air due to the lack of viewing opportunities. I didn't really watch it until it came out on DVD.

Porthos is not amused.
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# 36
01-09-2013, 01:38 PM
I really don't get people hating on series, usually it turns out if people are really honest, its just that they miss what came before. Nothing wrong with that, but all the hate gets me. I could take most everything said about Enterprise here and make it about TNG, and I bet I could find people who watched TOS and hated TNG the same way.

I have to admit all the T'Pol sex symbol hate makes me laugh though, once you consider, Uhura (or random guest of the week), Troi, and 7 of 9. You could probably make an argument for Dax (both of them) in there as well. Or maybe Kira. There has always been a sex symbol in Star Trek, its just updated for how much they can get away with during the time the show is shown. If TOS had been made now instead of the 60s, well, take a look at the movie for that.

Now, I can agree that there are some continuity issues in ENT, but again, there are those everywhere.

And as for the theme song, well, you can only remix a tune so many times. That and it definately made you remember it.

Now, do I love ENT? Not really, I like it, it had its high points and lows ( I honestly think the last episode was ruined by Riker being there and it all being a holoprogram he was running, and yeah, the Borg were overdone.) But I don't hate it.

Then again, all this is my opinion, and my opinion usually takes a lot to declare hate of something.
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# 37
01-09-2013, 02:52 PM
Time travelling space Nazis. The end of season three/beginning of season four had time travelling space Nazis.

Time travelers? OK.

Space Nazis? Harder to deal with, but I'll try to meet you half way.

Time travelling space Nazis? Too much for me to wrap my fragile little melon around.
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# 38
01-09-2013, 05:57 PM
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Time travelling space Nazis. The end of season three/beginning of season four had time travelling space Nazis.

Time travelers? OK.

Space Nazis? Harder to deal with, but I'll try to meet you half way.

Time travelling space Nazis? Too much for me to wrap my fragile little melon around.
Well.... they made good bad guys. Evil anarchist time travelers have been done to death. Guys with a plan who want to subjugate not just the universe but time itself? Hehe....
HAIL HYDRA!

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# 39
01-10-2013, 09:27 AM
I thought it was getting good, then they cancelled it, and they then seemed to cram a lot into the last half pf the final season.
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# 40
01-10-2013, 10:10 AM
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Maggots and leeches are used for some modern medicinal applications, and Phlox does use hyposprays almost as frequently as any of the other series' doctors.
I am aware of such treatments and the large amount of animal research involved in medicine, but you aren't likely to find a hospital with a room filled with animals in little cages being used as the treatments. The SPCA would have a field day with Phlox.
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Well.... they made good bad guys. Evil anarchist time travelers have been done to death. Guys with a plan who want to subjugate not just the universe but time itself? Hehe....
Considering how xenophobic the Nazis were, that plot element was inconceivable, they might be dealing with aliens covertly but they would never have them out and about in full SS regalia. The Nazi space aliens were comical because of that absurdity.
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I have to admit all the T'Pol sex symbol hate makes me laugh though, once you consider, Uhura (or random guest of the week), Troi, and 7 of 9. You could probably make an argument for Dax (both of them) in there as well. Or maybe Kira. There has always been a sex symbol in Star Trek, its just updated for how much they can get away with during the time the show is shown. If TOS had been made now instead of the 60s, well, take a look at the movie for that.
Uhura served a purpose in an era where racial segregation was still a very hot topic in production television, miniskirts were both of the fashions of the time and because Roddenbury liked women in miniskirts, but both T'Pol and 7 of 9 were nothing more than exploited characters serving as eye candy to attract viewers of a certain demographic, they could have fulfilled their roles while clothed more conservatively but instead were garbed in tight revealing catsuits for one purpose only, cheapening the show in the process. Did I hate the characters, no I did not, but I hated what was done with them, they were just another example of the gradual dumbing down of the franchise that had taken hold in Star Trek to make it more marketable to the masses .
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