Survivor of Romulus
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# 71
01-10-2013, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by curs0r View Post
Believe it or not, it does speak to the OP (albeit in a harsh way)
Now I get you, it just didn't follow the current discussions.

Most of the people complaining about the price are just greedy for dil and no one will sell them dil for 300 per zen anymore.
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# 72
01-10-2013, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by devian666 View Post
Now I get you, it just didn't follow the current discussions.

Most of the people complaining about the price are just greedy for dil and no one will sell them dil for 300 per zen anymore.
Wasn't my post, I was just pointing out that he was on topic (original topic anyway). If I were going to pay real $ to buy dil for zen I would definitely have done it a year ago (IIRC, I think I did. It was the last $10 I spent here, or will for the foreseeable future). I sell my stipend for it without even looking at the exchange rate. No matter how much it is, it's more than I was willing to grind to get.
I'll sell you some weapons from New Romulus. Never fired, only dropped once.
Cryptic Studios Team
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# 73
01-10-2013, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ciprianp1 View Post
Really? Then I must be playing another game. The dil market is controlled by Cryptic by simply not showing all the offers.
I made a test: put some zen for sale at a price way over the market. I asked a friend if he can see my offer ( I excluded the fact that I wasn't able to see it), and of course no, there was no offer of mine. So simply by not showing all the offers, but only the lowest ones, CRYPTIC is controlling the market. At least be a man and admit it Brandon.
The currency exchange is anonymous and only executes trades at the best price. So if you are buying, you buy at the cheapest price available. If you are selling, you sell at the highest price available. This is to prevent exploits such as gold farmers using the system to transfer Dilithium to their customers.
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# 74
01-10-2013, 05:45 PM
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Most of the people complaining about the price are just greedy for dil and no one will sell them dil for 300 per zen anymore.
Quoted for truth.
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# 75
01-10-2013, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by rehpic View Post
The currency exchange is anonymous and only executes trades at the best price. So if you are buying, you buy at the cheapest price available. If you are selling, you sell at the highest price available. This is to prevent exploits such as gold farmers using the system to transfer Dilithium to their customers.
I was going to quote you and say: "That's correct and very insightful in regards to the absuive transfer of dilithium."
Then I saw your name is yellow and felt like an idiot.

After giving it some thought I have a question now, tho:
We can place sell orders at a ratio we wish, they just might not appear on the market?
For example 1 zen = 200 dil.
Now, I was under the impression the same was true with buy orders.
With a 1 : 200 sell order in place - if someone makes a 200 : 1 buy order - what happens?

Do they "cancel out"? Or does it take the cheapest offer and give the seller bonus dilithium
(or more Zen to the buyer)?
(For some reason I have a vague memory of this happening?!)

With the latter option it would clearly work as you said - altho it's sort of weird - hence I wonder.
I can't say I experimented with it.

He's dead, Jim.

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# 76
01-10-2013, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by lolimpicard View Post
I was going to quote you and say: "That's correct and very insightful in regards to the absuive transfer of dilithium."
Then I saw your name is yellow and felt like an idiot.

After giving it some thought I have a question now, tho:
We can place sell orders at a ratio we wish, they just might not appear on the market?
For example 1 zen = 200 dil.
Now, I was under the impression the same was true with buy orders.
With a 1 : 200 sell order in place - if someone makes a 200 : 1 buy order - what happens?

Do they "cancel out"? Or does it take the cheapest offer and give the seller bonus dilithium
(or more Zen to the buyer)?
(For some reason I have a vague memory of this happening?!)

With the latter option it would clearly work as you said - altho it's sort of weird - hence I wonder.
I can't say I experimented with it.
Say there is a sell order at a price of 200, and another sell order at a price of 110. For a buyer the one at a price of 110 is the best price. It doesn't matter what price they enter above 110. As long as they offer to buy at that price or higher they will buy the lowest priced sell order at the listed price. So in this case even though you offer 200, you will only end up paying 110, and the remaining Dilithium (90 per zen) will be returned to your exchange balance when your order is filled. If you offer to sell for a really high price, or buy for a really low price, your orders will stick around in the system and will eventually be filled if they ever become the best price due to price fluctuation.

There were probably people who put in offers to buy zen at 90 back in September when the price was around 160. Those offers just stuck around in the system and got filled recently when the prices got low enough.
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# 77
01-10-2013, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by crypticarmsman View Post
Can't agree with this one as queued content is not the only thing they've added in the past year mission wise.m Also (whether you use/like them); the Fleet Advancement, Reoutation System, the Tau Dewa sector Block and the Defera, Nukara and especially the New Romulus ground zones were not a 'cut and paste' job by any means (nor were all the cutscences and VO added as you progress in Reputation Tiers in New Romulus Rep.
Hold up there dishing out the praise. I'll give you some of the VO work on New Romulus, but the rest of that **** is grind, grind, grind.

The Fleet Advancement System is resource sinks because we were all walking around filthy rich and had no reason to keep logging in. It's basically a hamster wheel for us to run on and to pretend otherwise is foolish at best, blatantly disingenuous at worst. Having a base means nothing except access to some exclusive but wildly overpriced stuff.

The reputation system is nothing more than a counter for the grind maps. If you call that content, be my guest. EVERY piece of endgame content has been turned into zergfests because it's cheap to make and the reputation system is just there to ensure you get 3 months' wear out of it before discarding it like the cheap toy it is.

Can you name a single Tholian with an actual name or part in the STO story, or are they just so many spiders that you and your bridge officers mow down mercilessly? Did Into the Hive, ground or space, make a single bit of difference to the STO landscape? Hell, there isn't even an ACCOLADE for beating the Borg Queen.


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And it's not the case that PWE/Cryptic just spends development funds and resources across all their MMOs as (IMO) they DO have a game in what I consider near maintenance-mode, and that's Champions Onlibe.
Thanks for validating my decision to hang onto my wallet.

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It would also mean that at least a good part of the revenue is spent on STO.
In any case: These numbers have no basis in reality (but I tend to get surprised by the accuracy of my wildest estimates time and again, so I have some slight confidence that it's not totally off).
Your rudimentary understanding of business notwithstanding...along with the mind-blowing overestimation of your own abilities...the very idea that you actually doubled down on this "explanation" is.. .. but anyway how has it shown up in ways that matter to players?

Have we seen any of those KDF uniforms? No?
New KDF ships then?
How about that 1-50 Klingon content Stahl keeps going on about?
Romulan faction, even a mini-one?
How about those ship art fixes that are badly needed?
Able to run around and do anything on Earth yet?
Borderless sector space?
Oh, wait, new Featured Episodes?
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Silly Rabbit, the Devs don't play the game. That's why they have no idea about the problems.

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Commander
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# 78
01-10-2013, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by rehpic View Post
Say there is a sell order at a price of 200, and another sell order at a price of 110. For a buyer the one at a price of 110 is the best price. It doesn't matter what price they enter above 110. As long as they offer to buy at that price or higher they will buy the lowest priced sell order at the listed price. So in this case even though you offer 200, you will only end up paying 110, and the remaining Dilithium (90 per zen) will be returned to your exchange balance when your order is filled. If you offer to sell for a really high price, or buy for a really low price, your orders will stick around in the system and will eventually be filled if they ever become the best price due to price fluctuation.

There were probably people who put in offers to buy zen at 90 back in September when the price was around 160. Those offers just stuck around in the system and got filled recently when the prices got low enough.
Thanks for the clarification.
So it's impossible to pay more than the lowest price and any excess is returned.

He's dead, Jim.
Lt. Commander
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Posts: 146
# 79
01-10-2013, 06:12 PM
Really you can't blame the DEVS for the state of the Dilithium Exchange.

In general terms there are two sides to the exchange. Those who want to grind (Dilithium) for items in the C-store, and those who want to Pay (Zen) for items that require Dilithium. With lots of Dilithium sinks in the game at the moment and not so many recent C-store items it is no surprise that Zen isn't worth so much.

Obviously folks that are buying Zen to sell for Dilithium aren't happy about the situation, but if you don't like the price then don't sell. Go grind the Dilithium yourself which isn't particularly hard, just time consuming. If you do stop selling, and if enough other people feel that way and the Zen sellers disappear, then the price will go up. But the fact is the Zen will be worth the least amount of Dilithium people are willing to sell it for and there are obviously people out there that are happy with 90.
Commander
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# 80
01-10-2013, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sekritagent View Post
Your rudimentary understanding of business notwithstanding...along with the mind-blowing overestimation of your own abilities...the very idea that you actually doubled down on this "explanation" is.. .. but anyway how has it shown up in ways that matter to players?

Have we seen any of those KDF uniforms? No?
New KDF ships then?
How about that 1-50 Klingon content Stahl keeps going on about?
Romulan faction, even a mini-one?
How about those ship art fixes that are badly needed?
Able to run around and do anything on Earth yet?
Borderless sector space?
Exchange search improvements?
Oh, wait, new Featured Episodes?
It hasn't.

Also, do you think I care about your assumptions?

He's dead, Jim.
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