Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 130
Hello again people, i think it is time to bring this ship into the game, NOT as a T4 or T5 ship, my proposition is to include it as a "vanity" ship in the same way as the TOS Constitution, lets say, you have the C-Store TOS Connie, and then in the next rank, just "before" or "short" of the Cheyenne you could have the C-Store Constellation. As i understand, the ship is post TMP/STIII and pre TNG era, maybe even pre Ambassador era inclusive?, so i think it should not be a very powerful ship, should not contain special consoles or stuff like that, only the appropriate BOFF stations and console slots.
I hope you like this idea and that many of you can support it, so we can get this ship in the game! .

This is the Constellation class: http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Constellation_class
Yuxtapuestoelmono, not "Lmrt"

Last edited by lmrt; 01-21-2013 at 06:37 AM.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 117
# 2
01-10-2013, 10:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lmrt View Post
Hello again people, i think it is time to bring this ship into the game, NOT as a T4 or T5 ship, my proposition is to include it as a "vanity" ship in the same way as the TOS Constitution, lets say, you have the C-Store TOS Connie, and then in the next rank, just "before" or "short" of the Cheyenne you could have the C-Store Constellation. As i understand, the ship is post TMP/STIII and pre TNG era, maybe even pre Ambassador era inclusive?, so i think it should not be a very powerful ship, should not contain special consoles or stuff like that, only the appropriate BOFF stations and console slots.
I hope you like this idea and that many of you can support it, so we can get this ship in the game! .
I dont know if it would happen. Quite a few of my ideas fall of deaf ears.

For instance I would like to see some more vintage ships in game but in their correct Tier level. I would like to see a NX refit, not a T5 refit but a refit of the NX appearing how she would have post refit like the Constitution to Constitution Refit. Then I had the brilliant idea about how we could make lower tier ships semi viable at end game without beefing them up with more console slots or more hull. Just simply remove all console restriction and simply have the console rank/level determined by the rank of the officer manning a station. This would mean ensign only consoles on a NX would not exsist they would level up based off the rank of your officer which is how they should have been and how it would work in the real world as well.

But Ive thrown my ideas around a few times and not even a "wow thats a good idea" so I agree with you I would like to see the Constellation class ship in it gives me more reason to buy more ship slots and give me something to do when Im bored. But I just dont think the devs would worry about something like this. Took this long to get the Ambassador class ship in all cause one of the modelers didnt like the look of the ship so it was put on the back burner constantly.
Starfleet Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 960
# 3
01-10-2013, 10:56 PM
Not to rain too much on your parades, but the existing Cheyenne ship model and variant skins are too close to the Constellation to make the grade, at least not while other ships and new designs are already in the pipeline.

Quote:
Then I had the brilliant idea about how we could make lower tier ships semi viable at end game without beefing them up with more console slots or more hull.
I'm sorry, but your idea wasn't brilliant. That idea you had would have made every player at 50 be managing a MINIMUM of 20 abilities. It would have been a Star Wars Galaxies level of balance and system reengineering and basically end the space combat system as we know it today.

Quote:
This would mean ensign only consoles on a NX would not exsist they would level up based off the rank of your officer which is how they should have been and how it would work in the real world as well.
Not true. Even real-world ships have dedicated stations with dedicated hardware capabilities and specialities. You won't see anyone running a ship's guns from the radar station or managing the sensors from the engine room.

The "station rank" conceit is simply shorthand for the quality of the bridge station's hardware and processing capability. Just as a high-end gaming desktop running windows 7 or whatever can game better than a 1st-generation iPad, a Commander bridge station can do more than an Ensign bridge station. That's actually more realistic.

Last edited by unangbangkay; 01-10-2013 at 11:01 PM.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 130
# 4
01-10-2013, 11:04 PM
Sorry unangbangkay, but the Cheyenne is the Cheyenne, it does not looks like a Constellation, it looks like, well, a Cheyenne , it is not the same size, not the same shape, they only share the general arrangement. Also, the ship could be made a (paid) skin for the Cheyenne.
milner62, your idea is very ambitious, it requires a change and major adaptation of the game mechanics, it does not means it is bad, but is not a simple thing as just say, add the NX Refit class to the game, i personally would like to see it, but i do not know if it has many supporters, because as i understand, the devs said that they could add any ship, if the community really wants it (like in, a BIG amount of players ask for it), however the Constellation is FAR more popular as it appeared several times on TNG and so, it was even the type of ship class that Captain Piccard first commanded! .
Yuxtapuestoelmono, not "Lmrt"
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 117
# 5
01-10-2013, 11:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by unangbangkay View Post
Not to rain too much on your parades, but the existing Cheyenne ship model and variant skins are too close to the Constellation to make the grade, at least not while other ships and new designs are already in the pipeline.



I'm sorry, but your idea wasn't brilliant. That idea you had would have made every player at 50 be managing a MINIMUM of 20 abilities. It would have been a Star Wars Galaxies level of balance and system reengineering and basically end the space combat system as we know it today.



Not true. Even real-world ships have dedicated stations with dedicated hardware capabilities and specialities. You won't see anyone running a ship's guns from the radar station or managing the sensors from the engine room.

The "station rank" conceit is simply shorthand for the quality of the bridge station's hardware and processing capability. Just as a high-end gaming desktop running windows 7 or whatever can game better than a 1st-generation iPad, a Commander bridge station can do more than an Ensign bridge station. That's actually more realistic.
Well you cant take and insult someones idea when you havent even heard it all I didnt want to high jack this topic I just talked a little about it. There was a lot more in the idea that would limit people from having up to 20 abilities per ship. There would still be restrictions but the restrictions would be more in line with the way how star fleet ships are actually runned. All stations on starships are interchangeable the tactical work station can convert to a engineering work station and vise versa. So the idea I put forward that I created its own topic for means that it would be more in line with star trek technology than real world technology that you are trying to use.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lmrt View Post
Sorry unangbangkay, but the Cheyenne is the Cheyenne, it does not looks like a Constellation, it looks like, well, a Cheyenne , it is not the same size, not the same shape, they only share the general arrangement. Also, the ship could be made a (paid) skin for the Cheyenne.
milner62, your idea is very ambitious, it requires a change and major adaptation of the game mechanics, it does not means it is bad, but is not a simple thing as just say, add the NX Refit class to the game, i personally would like to see it, but i do not know if it has many supporters, because as i understand, the devs said that they could add any ship, if the community really wants it (like in, a BIG amount of players ask for it), however the Constellation is FAR more popular as it appeared several times on TNG and so, it was even the type of ship class that Captain Piccard first commanded! .
Well its not simple as adding a new ship in, if you take a look at the post I created you can see how you can limit the strength of the ships as star fleet would have (you wouldnt have 4 commanders serving on the bridge of a starship they would be different ranks) by not simply limiting the console level by limiting how many ranked officers you can have on duty per bridge. This opens up the starships to be quite a bit more customizeable and even goes as far as allowing cruisers to not only be built by the player to serve a tactical role but a engineering role or even a science role reguardless how many officer slots they place.

To get on the topic I personally dont think it would be a problem to have the Cheyenne, sure some say its simmilar to the Constellation but I dont think they are.

Constellation
http://www.shipschematics.net/startr...onstellatn.jpg

Cheyenne
http://www.shipschematics.net/startr...n_cheyenne.jpg

As you can see the Constellation has a more boxy engine nacelle arrangement where the Cheyenne has a more curved nacelle pylon design. I could look at both of these ships in space in game and could tell the difference between the two even though some claim their too simmilar to be implimented in game.
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 165
# 6
01-10-2013, 11:44 PM
Well he was not insulting you, merely pointing out that it is a bad idea.

But on topic no, I don't think we need the constellation class or the NX, they are both old designs and I am not in favor of upgrading them forever.

I had a 386 PC once, in theory the casing of my ancient desktop could be used to house a modern PC but the casing would is too small which would make it impractical to house the components and cause thermal problems.

As much as I loved my old grey desktop it is easier and for more practical to build a new frame to house all the components. For the same reason there should be limitations on how much you can upgrade a hull.

The last point we have 2409 not 2209 or 2309, so I am not a fan of seeing Constellations and NX still flying around.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 117
# 7
01-10-2013, 11:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ascaladar View Post
Well he was not insulting you, merely pointing out that it is a bad idea.

But on topic no, I don't think we need the constellation class or the NX, they are both old designs and I am not in favor of upgrading them forever.

I had a 386 PC once, in theory the casing of my ancient desktop could be used to house a modern PC but the casing would is too small which would make it impractical to house the components and cause thermal problems.

As much as I loved my old grey desktop it is easier and for more practical to build a new frame to house all the components. For the same reason there should be limitations on how much you can upgrade a hull.

The last point we have 2409 not 2209 or 2309, so I am not a fan of seeing Constellations and NX still flying around.
It doesnt matter you say someones idea isnt brilliant that is akin to saying their idea is stupid. Calling someones idea stupid is a insult. Even saying someones idea is bad is an insult as well just being put in a nicer way. If he has any problems with my idea he can gladly read my full complete idea in the topic I created and then make a comment. He made a knee jerk comment on a partial idea since I didnt go into full detail.

No one is talking about upgrading consoles or computers. What I pointed out was that star trek computer systems are not limited in abilities they have full capability to do multiple functions. Sure you might not want to see older starships still flying around but I hate seeing the same 3 classes of starship around everywheres Id rather see ancient starships flying just for variety. Sheesh if Starfleet had all these Odyssey`s, and Vector assault crafts then why is war a problem with Star Fleet.

But untill we see more futeristic designs and custom ideas pened by devs we are limited on ships at end game and I dont know about you but I am tired of seeing the same few classes of ships everywheres. So I am all for the Cheyenne being included. Atleast its opens up seeing different classes of starships than the same few all over the place.

Last edited by milner62; 01-10-2013 at 11:53 PM.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 130
# 8
01-10-2013, 11:59 PM
It is not a matter of needing, it is a matter of wanting, we do have the TOS Constitution, why we can not have the Constellation?, it does not needs to be a special ship, it could "just" be a paid skin, and even if they do make it a separated ship, actually it should have less power and capabilities that the heavy cruisers, i know the Constitution has the blue phasers and so, well maybe they could make some special thing for the Constellation too, but it is not necessary.
Yuxtapuestoelmono, not "Lmrt"
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 130
# 9
01-11-2013, 12:02 AM
Also guys, the "revamping of the ship tiers" thing is not what i am talking about here, i am just proposing the players to consider and maybe support the idea of having the Constellation class available in the game, that way the devs would more likely consider to add it, it is a canon and sort of iconic class after all, it has its share of history on the ST universe and shows a nice blend of technologies, obviously from an era of transition.
Yuxtapuestoelmono, not "Lmrt"
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 117
# 10
01-11-2013, 12:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lmrt View Post
Also guys, the "revamping of the ship tiers" thing is not what i am talking about here, i am just proposing the players to consider and maybe support the idea of having the Constellation class available in the game, that way the devs would more likely consider to add it, it is a canon and sort of iconic class after all, it has its share of history on the ST universe and shows a nice blend of technologies, obviously from an era of transition.
I agree being a canon ship it should be in game, the devs talked about releasing all canon ships in the game and with the Ambassador coming out as much as some people dislike it, other ships that are canon such as the Cheyenne would have to be considered, ships like the Yeager, the Daedalus, the Elkins, the Springfield. There are literally hundreds of canon starship and if the devs plan to release the canon starships then they will need to release them all and not play favorites.
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 09:20 PM.