Captain
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# 11
01-11-2013, 07:24 PM
Bug ships can be easy to kill with a Fleet Defiant or Fleet Hohsus just grav pulse or ams while you decloak and hit them with a BO or rapid fire before ramming high yield quantums down their throat. Nothing wrong with using cheese if the other team has bug ships or is premade and you are not. Also this is expensive but get Elite Fleet Shields in both ResA and ResB, and pay attention to what energy type the most damging ships on their team is using and equip the appropriate shield. Bug ships tend not to use torps either, you can exploit this by keeping all types of energy damage resistance consoles in your inventory and switch the neutroniums out for 2 or 3 armor consoles of the appropriate damage type the bug ship is using. With shields and consoles resisting their only damage type and consoles to stop them from moving or getting cross healed you can even get kills on them against a premade, although your team will still probably lose in the end as it gets killed off.

I normally don't use this stuff, but you should hold nothing back against bug ships, the ship that is the most blatant example of p2w in this game.
Commander
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# 12
01-11-2013, 07:36 PM
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I like the influx of new blood into the scene.
Mmm *slurp*
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# 13
01-11-2013, 07:42 PM
MMO PvP will always be either pay to win or grind to win. By that I mean better gear will give an advantage and while yes enough skill can overcome gear advantage that is beside the point.

Two players, identical skill, gear will become the deciding factor. If you dislike that I suggest you find a non MMO pvp game.
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# 14
01-11-2013, 08:37 PM
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lol love how no one made any comments on the state of the broken PVP system.. Umm 3 on 1? So that is working correctly? And i never said slot Lockbox ships into a seperate playlist, a little more diversity would be nice. as for my "leaving the match" my game crashed (sometimes happens in an imperfect world) Nothing i could do about that. Oh and i am in that "Organized PVP" channel btw, so i do use it but sometimes ya just gotta pug it. And the orginizers of the Bootcamp.. lol i ran into them in a PVP match after they creamed the team i was on (this time in my oddy healer over 1.5mil of team healing in that match) they so kindly posted about the PVP bootcamp.. Oh and did i mention it was a team of 5 wells class. Hmm makes sense for a team like that to be teaching how to's on PVP.

Lesson 1:

Buy a lockbox ship.
Now you are just being silly. You don't need a lockbox ship to play PVP. If you think about it, most Lockbox ships are only special because of the consoles they come with. Sure their stats may seem superior, but take off the consoles, the lockbox ship will be just another ship to blow up.
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# 15
01-11-2013, 09:24 PM
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Actually, it was 3 Wells and 2 Jemmies. Class move leaving your team to fend for themselves, btw.
The guy warped out after a good bye he didn't just crash he actually said he was out of there LOL!

we respected the last two enemies and they carried on fighting to the end and chatted to the two at end I was like meh its fun
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# 16
01-11-2013, 09:33 PM
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lol love how no one made any comments on the state of the broken PVP system.. Umm 3 on 1? So that is working correctly?
This one is a legitimate complaint. The matchmaking system is rather buggy at times. I have been on the receiving end of this a few times, but I just have to grin and bear it until it's fixed.

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And i never said slot Lockbox ships into a seperate playlist, a little more diversity would be nice.
Then what would you suggest as a solution? You speak about getting PvP to be overhauled. You want the community to speak up to the devs and get them to fix 'it'. However, you focus on the existence of the lockbox ships, which, to be frank, would be difficult for the devs to do anything about. Do you have any ideas? This case is nowhere near as clear-cut as the dilithium fiasco. You say that lockbox ships in the queues are a big problem, but you offer no meaningful suggestion as to how the problem can be solved. How would 'overhauling' the PvP system help with this?

Honestly, however, the Wells class is one of the more affordable lockbox ships available, and as such is more common than most others. However, there are a number who argue that the Vesta is a better sci ship, which means that the Wells is not necessarily the best available. I do agree that the bugship can be somewhat overpowered in the hands of some, but it can be countered fairly easily with teamwork. Just having one does not make the person a good player. I've outflown a couple in my fleet Sabre myself, which, given my skill level (low to medium), makes the bugship pilot pretty lousy if the bugship is really that OP as you say.

By the way, a Tac in a cruiser is pretty much the worst thing you can bring to a fight against a bugship.....or most good escorts for that matter. Sure, you can output good pressure damage and tank somewhat, but a good escort will have spiked you to death in the meantime. Any sci ship would just be the icing on the cake.

Furthermore, the bugship is the best escort, however it remains an escort. It is vulnerable to a number of things, particularly sci shutdowns.

I pug most of the time myself, and I understand how you feel about lockbox ships. However, it is very likely that individual player skill and teamwork contributes the lion's share towards the opposing team's victory, not the ships. Sure, you may still lose a contest of equal skill when using another escort that is inferior, but you will give your opponent a good fight where he has to overcome the challenge you pose to him.


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I just came from a match that on my team had 2 assault cruisers (the regular one at RA level) A Defiant (Fleet Version) a Intrepid , and myself (flying a fleet heavy cruiser) Sounds like a well balanced team right?
Nope, that certainly does not sound like a balanced team. 3 out of 5 ships are cruisers? Too tank-heavy with not enough DPS is what it sounds like to me.
Take it easy!

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Lt. Commander
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# 17
01-11-2013, 09:59 PM
If you're going to pvp in this game, you can't let the emotions of playing pvp get to you. 3 wells and 2 jemmies as a premade will likely smoke any pug it encounters. Don't take it personal.

Seperating public queues would only hurt everyone. If your looking for casual friendly pvp, my advice is to build matches within your pool fleetmates/friends via the private challenge match. Its fast and easy.

If your trying to become a strong pvp player, you have to learn to endure many horrible defeats, taking them with a grain of salt and the outlook that overtime you and your crew will preform better.
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# 18
01-11-2013, 10:11 PM
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Mmm *slurp*
Please don't scare them away. We need them.
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# 19
01-11-2013, 10:59 PM
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Please don't scare them away. We need them.
Ok fine I'll wear the bag again.
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# 20 LMFAO @ Silly player
01-13-2013, 12:15 AM
So this was originally a forum post to address some issues in PVP.. It was ridiculed by many alike.. I admit i may have been unclear on some points, but that is not what i would like to discuss.. This is what i would like to discuss...

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...=493551&page=9

So the Sad Panda member who ridiculed this post.. well it seems this person was partly responsible for the cancellation of a PVP tournament. Makes me laugh a lot.. Oh and to make it better said players post was removed due to a breach in the Community Rules and Policies.. LOL @ said player!

I am sure said player will comment the heck outta this post, but i just wanted to get my 2 cents in.. I am done with this forum topic now, I have had my chuckle for the month, Thanks Sad Pandas!

-Seb.


Oh PS: To the said player of this post from Sad Pandas.. i have this to say.. Class move by ruining a pvp tournament for everyone else ^_^


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