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Captain
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# 21
01-13-2013, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by andoriansrus View Post
nice with the backhanded insult to those of us that know what we are doing...oh and as to it being a PVE issue that does not really hurt anyone think again.... the Elite Scorpions are starting to appear in PVP and you can bet that sometime soon the PVP players will be screaming nerf don't believe me come play PVP in Arenas or Kerrat either will do and you will see Elite Scorpion Fighters being spit out of the hangar bays of anything that can launch fighters/shuttles/BoPs the Elite Scorpion is where its at for now....

but to claim that this is a PVE issue and hurts no one is not the correct answer....

the Correct Answer would be... Unless you are talking about Elite Scorpions you should look into using something else, but when you can get the Elite Scorpions if you want DPS those are the way to go
You need to learn to read within context, I even quoted the person I was responding to.

And no, i don't think the Scorpions are that big of a deal in PvP. A single person running FaW shuts them down, and the plasma missles are slow moving regardless. In PvE though... they just destroy stuff. And this isn't even counting the Recluse issue. It puts carriers on par with or above escorts in the damage potential category. (and if you use the Recluse with them, it just shatters everything else atm)

Last edited by xantris; 01-13-2013 at 05:10 PM.
Captain
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# 22
01-13-2013, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by derbeelzebot View Post
I'm going to spill the beans: All scorpions are bugged. In a way that makes them more powerful. To be precise, hangars outfitted with Scorpion fighters launch twice as many fightercraft as normal.

24 Scorpions > everything else.

So as of now, Scorpions beat every alternative. The question is: Where do they stand without that bug?

Elites will still be great, as their HY torps hit for around 8k damage, before you even factor in the Plasma burn. And every fresh fighter fires one.
Advanceds will be okay, as the dilithium cost is normal for advanced hangar items.
Blues will suck, because they offer no advantage over the blue peregrines which are pretty much free

So unless you want to bet on Cryptics lack of speed regarding bug fixes, only the elite scorpions are worth the price tag. But if you're willing every Scorpion will work for a time.

I believe it's only the Tholian Recluse. Or atleast that's the only ship I have seen it on (I only own a Recluse and a Kar'fi).

I was struggling to figure out why the Recluse was doing significantly more damage than the Kar'fi when logic would dictate otherwise, and that's when I realized the massive armada of fighters floating around me in the Recluse.

Last edited by xantris; 01-13-2013 at 05:06 PM.
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# 23
01-13-2013, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by xantris View Post
You need to learn to read within context, I even quoted the person I was responding to.

And no, i don't think the Scorpions are that big of a deal in PvP. A single person running FaW shuts them down, and the plasma missles are slow moving regardless. In PvE though... they just destroy stuff. And this isn't even counting the Recluse issue. It puts carriers on par with or above escorts in the damage potential category. (and if you use the Recluse with them, it just shatters everything else atm)
fair enough, but to think they are not that big a deal in PVP now that a lot of people are starting to get the ELITE Scorpions before long it will be the ONLY "fighter" being used by both factions and more so by recluse captains.... its about spam and since I can spit a flight of Scorpions every 10-13 seconds so I can usually outspam someones FAW, and if you get 2 or more people spamming them FAW cant keep up.... yeah sure the HY Torp is slow moving but you cant kill them all fast enough sure you could put on a Point Defense system but after you use it that's on a 2 minute cooldown and if you happen to run into someone that has a dedicated Plasma burn build with Torp HY on top of the fighter spam you will be hard pressed deciding what to use the FAW on and since FAW is broken right now.... you see this could get out of hand very quickly.... I have already started seeing pre-made PVP groups that SPAM the Elite Scorpions... and lets not even get started on the Recluse Captains spamming the Elite Scorpions in PVP 1 person with beam fire at will CANNOT kill them all fast enough especially if he is spitting out a new wave every 10-15 seconds....

so for it not affecting PVP you should pvp more and you would see it first hand.....
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Captain
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# 24
01-13-2013, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by xantris View Post
It puts carriers on par with or above escorts in the damage potential category.
You say this like it's supposed to be self-evidentally horrifying, but I don't get it. What's so bad about giving good firepower to massive ships that have the turning of a pregnant glacier and tactical initiative measured in negative numbers?
Lieutenant
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# 25
01-14-2013, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by momaw View Post
You say this like it's supposed to be self-evidentally horrifying, but I don't get it. What's so bad about giving good firepower to massive ships that have the turning of a pregnant glacier and tactical initiative measured in negative numbers?
Because the Recluse is one of the toughest available ships and PvE has that low maneuvering requirements that people can succesfully run DHC-builds on a Bortas.
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# 26
01-14-2013, 04:50 AM
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You say this like it's supposed to be self-evidentally horrifying, but I don't get it. What's so bad about giving good firepower to massive ships that have the turning of a pregnant glacier and tactical initiative measured in negative numbers?
because anything that can compare to an escort is an abomination in Star Trek DPS
Captain
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# 27
01-14-2013, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by momaw View Post
You say this like it's supposed to be self-evidentally horrifying, but I don't get it. What's so bad about giving good firepower to massive ships that have the turning of a pregnant glacier and tactical initiative measured in negative numbers?
Absolutely nothing. Carriers should be long range artillery/support ships. Now both sides are getting more options to fill that niche.
Ensign
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I was really happy to try out the rare scorps and was wondering why they do so much damage over everything.. and it's not a graphic glitch on my recluse, they are spawning double!

While this is awesome, I imagine it will get fixed sometime... till then.. 24 pew pews.
Lt. Commander
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# 29
01-15-2013, 08:00 PM
I can see the Recluse issue getting fixed, but they better not nerf the Elite Scorpions, they are meant to be Elite fighters, and thats what they are, thats what i paid for, if they nerf them, they can also nerf their wallet and give me my money back. Because I'll demand it, and do a charge back if need be.

The fighters themselves are fine, the 24 fighter Recluse should be fixed though.
Lt. Commander
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# 30
01-15-2013, 11:47 PM
Jeez.....24 scorpions on a Recluse? Yeah, wow, just run CSE/KASE and your fighters will nuke everything!
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