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# 41
01-14-2013, 12:13 AM
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I like this rules about no p2w, but only one problem for me, i dont have any RA ship, and as i know there are no mirror escorts for feds, so i need to spend 120.000 dilithium to buy Advanced or Patrol escort... Its to much cost for a ship i will use 2-3 matches
I suppose that this is a reason that one should allow the Defiant (and maybe also the Galaxy/Intrepid) as pure ships, but probably without cloak and ablative armor.

It is an even bigger problem for the KDF because they only have the Mirror Qin. But then again - who plays KDF anymore?
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# 42
01-14-2013, 06:20 AM
In that case any ship allowed but no console abilities.
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# 43
01-14-2013, 06:53 AM
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In that case any ship allowed but no console abilities.
No. I think the MVAM and ships that followed it lead to a loss of ship class identity and a decline in balance between ships. (Just look at how the Feds now basically have every sensible boff layout that the BoP can run without any of its drawbacks.)

And removing the incentive to acquire lockbox ships is a good thing in my opinion.

Or are you talking only about the original VA token ships?
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# 44
01-14-2013, 07:09 AM
Sounds like fun, I'd be in.

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It is an even bigger problem for the KDF because they only have the Mirror Qin. But then again - who plays KDF anymore?

I think the Mirror Qin should be allowed unless all Mirror ship are excluded and given that the Mirror ships are comparable to the RA ships I see no reason to exclude them. Also, some of us do still play KDF, at least when the queues allow it anyway.
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# 45
01-14-2013, 07:15 AM
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I think the Mirror Qin should be allowed unless all Mirror ship are excluded
The reason why the Fed mirror ships should be allowed to reduce ship prices is that they are just like the original ships, only with a different look.

The mirror Qin on the other hand as a slightly different boff layout. (Although I think that the KDF deserves a Fleet Escort version of their own and thus should be granted access to to the mirror Qin.)
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# 46
01-14-2013, 07:29 AM
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The reason why the Fed mirror ships should be allowed to reduce ship prices is that they are just like the original ships, only with a different look.

The mirror Qin on the other hand as a slightly different boff layout. (Although I think that the KDF deserves a Fleet Escort version of their own and thus should be granted access to to the mirror Qin.)
A fair point, though given the lack of KDF options compared to FED it would be somewhat limiting to not allow it. Also I just noticed that the Mirror Vor'cha is not on the list at all. It is in a similar situation to the Mirror Qin and it would be nice too see it included to offer some reduced cost options and a bit more variety KDF side.
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# 47
01-14-2013, 07:30 AM
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This seems like it would be fun, onces theres a time and date i will try and put together a critz team for it.
I demanded you return and here you are

And count me in on a critz team. I have a KDF sci and 2 Engies I can use. Still have my Negh'var pimped with old MK X/XI (from S3) gear too. It's hax!

I could bring my tact, too. It's not even T1 rep anything yet. Be fun to fly a old Raptor again. It was certainly a good ship.
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# 48
01-14-2013, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by spacepenguin121 View Post
A fair point, though given the lack of KDF options compared to FED it would be somewhat limiting to not allow it. Also I just noticed that the Mirror Vor'cha is not on the list at all. It is in a similar situation to the Mirror Qin and it would be nice too see it included to offer some reduced cost options and a bit more variety KDF side.
I'd say the Marauder too since it was a S2 ship. Plus w/o it the KDF is somewhat gimped over the feds for healing. At least it's my opinion that the Marauder was the best healer KDF before all the hax lockbox ships.
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# 49
01-14-2013, 07:36 AM
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I'd say the Marauder too since it was a S2 ship. Plus w/o it the KDF is somewhat gimped over the feds for healing. At least it's my opinion that the Marauder was the best healer KDF before all the hax lockbox ships.
I'm torn when it comes to the marauder. The marauder and the varanus are ships that move the KDF towards a carbon copy of the federation and dilute the original appeal of FvK pvp with its waiting for the first attack from cloak.

And I think hangar pets on the marauder would need to be banned if it was allowed.

Opinions on this?


(And the B'rel, which is also available with a VA token: not a problem when it's run as a regular escort-type ship, but as a cloaked healer or mine layer? Not sure that it's a good idea.)
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# 50
01-14-2013, 08:33 AM
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I demanded you return and here you are

And count me in on a critz team. I have a KDF sci and 2 Engies I can use. Still have my Negh'var pimped with old MK X/XI (from S3) gear too. It's hax!

I could bring my tact, too. It's not even T1 rep anything yet. Be fun to fly a old Raptor again. It was certainly a good ship.
Nice, i would only come back for something like this, The normal pvp i dont find fun anymore with all the cheese, drama, taped conversations, etc, but this seems like it could be fun! i hope it gets off the ground.

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