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Lieutenant
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# 11
01-14-2013, 01:12 PM
Personal attacks should be left out on this thread please (I am the OP).

My point is everyone is going to have a different take on what balance is. I agree that there are a lot of problems that make the game imbalanced. Its needs a constant approach by the devs to allow this to happen. Right now we have what we have. Play with it.

You CAN NOT expect people to agree what balance is. We are not game designers. We only know the windows of what we know about the game. Its Cryptic's responsibility to bring balance. Not a bunch of guys on TS.

As an IT professional I can tell you also that you can not make a policy or rule unless you can enforce it. It make no sense not to allow a DOFF when you can not prov he is using it. Even if you could with video you would end up creating conflict that may or may not be valid. It would be time consuming and bring a negative light.

POINT - If you want a tournament with Cryptic. Play the game according to what is allowed within the programming. Which means everything is allowed unless Cryptic disallows it with programming.

Cryptic, I wouldn't advise hosting a tournament until you can find balance. Not perfect balance but some sort of curve to it. Some sense of logic.

With that being said. If you want a tournament right now just do it. Do it with the mind set that everything is allowed. Its been said before even if you have that ability good teams can still beat you. Yes good teams will be beaten by lesser skilled people due to some power, but I sense 9 times out of 10 a good team will prevail. If not then its ok. The game is what it is.
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# 12
01-14-2013, 01:20 PM
Until Cryptic builds in functionality that lets a person set up a private arena/scenario with optional rules/restrictions, this is completely subjective and on the honor system. Until Cryptic builds in a functional tournament system with ranks and a leaderboard, the whole idea is pretty much meaningless. In my opinion.

When you can actually apply optional rules to a PvP scenario, then tournament restrictions will be meaningful, enforceable, and non-negotiable. Rules like "Sudden_Death" (No respawn), "Disable_Placate/Confuse", "Disable_C-Store_Consoles", "Escorts_Only", "VA_Only", "No_Lockbox_Ships", and more.

Better yet, a "Tournament Mode" that automatically applies a set of standard rules to a PvP scenario and puts everybody on a "level" playing field automatically.

In that scenario, there's nothing stopping you from equipping "cheese" except for the fact that it's disabled and you're gimping yourself by doing it.
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Lieutenant
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# 13
01-14-2013, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by bluegeek View Post
Until Cryptic builds in functionality that lets a person set up a private arena/scenario with optional rules/restrictions, this is completely subjective and on the honor system. Until Cryptic builds in a functional tournament system with ranks and a leaderboard, the whole idea is pretty much meaningless. In my opinion.

When you can actually apply optional rules to a PvP scenario, then tournament restrictions will be meaningful, enforceable, and non-negotiable. Rules like "Sudden_Death" (No respawn), "Disable_Placate/Confuse", "Disable_C-Store_Consoles", "Escorts_Only", "VA_Only", "No_Lockbox_Ships", and more.

Better yet, a "Tournament Mode" that automatically applies a set of standard rules to a PvP scenario and puts everybody on a "level" playing field automatically.

In that scenario, there's nothing stopping you from equipping "cheese" except for the fact that it's disabled and you're gimping yourself by doing it.
This is what exactly happens in other games like Wow. It would be easy to implement with the structure of the game BUT it would take a mission statement from STO to do it. I dont tihnk STO is a pvp game. I think its has PVP in it but just doesnt have the staffing (I suspect) to make it a full time job.
Lt. Commander
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# 14
01-14-2013, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by edalgo View Post
I really hope this unofficial RA tournament actually happens. If people don't complain and just follow the rules it should be a lot of fun. After all we're here to have fun.
It would be fantastic if we can do something like this.

What might not be obvious is that the fleets behind this classic-pvp proposal are actually quite close and not very likely to start screaming at each other.

And also it might be easier to agree on rules when we have some sort of model to go by (season 1.2 - season 2 pvp).

(Oh and I can't find any personal attacks in this thread?)

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# 15
01-14-2013, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bluegeek View Post
Until Cryptic builds in functionality that lets a person set up a private arena/scenario with optional rules/restrictions, this is completely subjective and on the honor system. Until Cryptic builds in a functional tournament system with ranks and a leaderboard, the whole idea is pretty much meaningless. In my opinion.

When you can actually apply optional rules to a PvP scenario, then tournament restrictions will be meaningful, enforceable, and non-negotiable. Rules like "Sudden_Death" (No respawn), "Disable_Placate/Confuse", "Disable_C-Store_Consoles", "Escorts_Only", "VA_Only", "No_Lockbox_Ships", and more.

Better yet, a "Tournament Mode" that automatically applies a set of standard rules to a PvP scenario and puts everybody on a "level" playing field automatically.

In that scenario, there's nothing stopping you from equipping "cheese" except for the fact that it's disabled and you're gimping yourself by doing it.
wow this request is as old as the game. No progress has been made in almost 3 years, and i have no hope that progress will happen, with the same people in charge that have prevented it for 3 years straight.

Happy Premature Snix Day everyone

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# 16
01-14-2013, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bluegeek View Post
Until Cryptic builds in functionality that lets a person set up a private arena/scenario with optional rules/restrictions, this is completely subjective and on the honor system. Until Cryptic builds in a functional tournament system with ranks and a leaderboard, the whole idea is pretty much meaningless. In my opinion.

When you can actually apply optional rules to a PvP scenario, then tournament restrictions will be meaningful, enforceable, and non-negotiable. Rules like "Sudden_Death" (No respawn), "Disable_Placate/Confuse", "Disable_C-Store_Consoles", "Escorts_Only", "VA_Only", "No_Lockbox_Ships", and more.

Better yet, a "Tournament Mode" that automatically applies a set of standard rules to a PvP scenario and puts everybody on a "level" playing field automatically.

In that scenario, there's nothing stopping you from equipping "cheese" except for the fact that it's disabled and you're gimping yourself by doing it.
Cryptic should post this on the wall as a goal for season 8 changes to PvP
Lt. Commander
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# 17
01-14-2013, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by bluegeek View Post
Until Cryptic builds in functionality that lets a person set up a private arena/scenario with optional rules/restrictions, this is completely subjective and on the honor system. Until Cryptic builds in a functional tournament system with ranks and a leaderboard, the whole idea is pretty much meaningless. In my opinion.

When you can actually apply optional rules to a PvP scenario, then tournament restrictions will be meaningful, enforceable, and non-negotiable. Rules like "Sudden_Death" (No respawn), "Disable_Placate/Confuse", "Disable_C-Store_Consoles", "Escorts_Only", "VA_Only", "No_Lockbox_Ships", and more.

Better yet, a "Tournament Mode" that automatically applies a set of standard rules to a PvP scenario and puts everybody on a "level" playing field automatically.

In that scenario, there's nothing stopping you from equipping "cheese" except for the fact that it's disabled and you're gimping yourself by doing it.
While this is a great idea, it's certainly not new. I believe "Tournament PvP Mode" was on snix's list for "Upcoming PvP additions" about >2 years ago(?)

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# 18 read carefully
01-14-2013, 01:57 PM
before this ends up into a 13 in a dosign thread...


when it comes to hosting a special event with rules like for example

old skool classics

no lockbox ships
no p2w consoles

etc etc


for those who sign up is expected that they obey these rules...

if not they will prolly be excluded/disqualified


how hard can that be to grasp?


we need to show cryptic that the player base can do this on their own first...

they got a slap on the finger coz they took a chance with this cancelled tourney

its up to us to show branflakes and the devs that there in fact are still enough people willing to set this up



and yeah offcourse u can whine and burn others for their posted opinions and see demons and devils in everything

why dont we just stop draggin the piss out this kind of suggestions and just for once make the best out of it ????




Goshia/Miss D'Meanor/Mass


apologies in advance for my bad spelling but im dutch so i dont care muhahaha

Last edited by antlen69; 01-14-2013 at 02:01 PM.
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# 19
01-14-2013, 02:25 PM
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While this is a great idea, it's certainly not new.
Never suggested that it was, or that I was the first. Great ideas ought to be revisited from time-to-time.
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Lt. Commander
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# 20
01-14-2013, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bluegeek View Post
Never suggested that it was, or that I was the first. Great ideas ought to be revisited from time-to-time.
And I never suggested that you suggested that.

What I mean is, some of us have been hoping for this kind of addition for years, and what have we seen so far in PvP additions? Nothing.

It's hard for us to be optimistic about this sort of thing. Last time Cryptic got our hopes up they let us down.

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