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# 41
01-15-2013, 06:26 AM
I understand that but im asking how much of a difference between them, ive been progressing through the game using escorts and while i can see that it has freakishly high dmg i just dont like using DHCs from a gameplay/aesthetic view.

Every time i fly a DHC escort i fell like im playing a sniper version of the old space invader game with the put-put wepon, you have to align the ship just right to actually fire and it looks like a spitball pea shooter, while i undersand its use stat wise im just not enjoying it, the broadside style on a cruiser on the other hand is...something else, the whole naval ship pull up along side and let rip thing is just really epic, so i want to know if i approach high level pve with a dps intent in a broadside cruiser can it work? is the dps just behind the escort or really far off.

Also been trying in missions and the hot join pve fleets (dunno exact name) using dual beam banks on my escort, its been much more fun and while the tooltip dmg is a little lower im pretty sure im actually hitting more consistently with them, its more you have to face them than aligning just so as with DHCs, can a high level escort use dual beam banks with comparable dps to DHC use?.
Captain
Join Date: Nov 2012
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# 42
01-15-2013, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by heritor1 View Post
Also been trying in missions and the hot join pve fleets (dunno exact name) using dual beam banks on my escort, its been much more fun and while the tooltip dmg is a little lower im pretty sure im actually hitting more consistently with them, its more you have to face them than aligning just so as with DHCs, can a high level escort use dual beam banks with comparable dps to DHC use?.
Short answer: no

That being said, in PvE you can absolutely make a beam escort dps build work. It's just going to be set up and function very differently than a cannon boat, and at the end of the day you will put out less damage (though in good hands with a good build, not all that much less).
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 43
01-15-2013, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by heritor1 View Post
I understand that but im asking how much of a difference between them, ive been progressing through the game using escorts and while i can see that it has freakishly high dmg i just dont like using DHCs from a gameplay/aesthetic view.

Every time i fly a DHC escort i fell like im playing a sniper version of the old space invader game with the put-put wepon, you have to align the ship just right to actually fire and it looks like a spitball pea shooter, while i undersand its use stat wise im just not enjoying it, the broadside style on a cruiser on the other hand is...something else, the whole naval ship pull up along side and let rip thing is just really epic, so i want to know if i approach high level pve with a dps intent in a broadside cruiser can it work? is the dps just behind the escort or really far off.
Judging from the parses I have from my eng and tac characters (haven't yet tried a beamboat on a sci, curiously), an escort-like ship (DHC capable agile enough ship with high tac boff positions) will out-DPS a broadsiding cruiser by about 25-30%.

On the other hand, if you use your cruiser right (and get some points in threat), you'll be useful as a tank and healer. An escort (type ship) will usually only be good at doing the one thing: blowing stuff.

In the end, it depends whether you can fully use the ship you choose (not saying I do, nothing ever's perfect) and if you value more 30% increase in damage or the ability to protect the whole team. Both have their use, depending on the situation.

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# 44
01-15-2013, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by toiva View Post
Judging from the parses I have from my eng and tac characters (haven't yet tried a beamboat on a sci, curiously), an escort-like ship (DHC capable agile enough ship with high tac boff positions) will out-DPS a broadsiding cruiser by about 25-30%.
That sounds about right.

My Engineering captain, switching from an Oddy to a Chimera (with the same Eng-heavy Cruiser BOff layout) picked up 15% more DPS.

Keep in mind that escorts tend to charge up close while cruisers tend to stay father away with their broadsides. Beams also do less damage at longer ranges, it just decreases less quickly than cannons.

(From a chart 2 years ago: At 6.5 km a Beam Array deals as much damage as a cannon, at 9.5 km a Beam Array deals as much damage as a DC/DHC.)

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