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# 11
01-17-2013, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mimey2 View Post
I say nay to this one. Cruisers CAN use shuttles. It's called Boarding Party.

Too many carriers and half-carriers in the game, to me, that power is enough.
Bingo, with the BO power you can in fact launch shuttles from a Fed cruiser.

The difference between a Carrier and Fed Cruiser or Battle Cruisers isn't having access to small craft, its having built in ability to use it combat wise.

A Carrier has hangar bays, a Cruiser has shuttle bays. What do I mean by that? Hangar bays have way more crafts and possibly an area inside them that acts as control centre originizing and controlling the launched crafts and keeping them working with each other.

Hangar Bays I figure are much larger then shuttle bays with more specialized equiptment.

Take Consumable Fighters for example, they work differently on carriers and none carriers. Why? Because of the Hangar Bays act like mission control sort of coordinating the fighters. So Carriers and Hybred Carriers are equipt with specialized equiptment the allows them to give carrier commands. Shuttle Bays aren't.

Its why cosumable fighters AI are dumber on a cruiser then a carrier.

And any ship is capable of launching playable shuttles.
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# 12
01-17-2013, 11:27 AM
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While we're at it, why not change it so carriers actually launch a realistic number of strike craft. Akiras should be launching 40+ ships, carriers 60-80+ (or more).

Or....

We can realize that reality and game balance are two completely different things.
I am fairly certain that Akiras not only could not store 40+ ships, but that their shuttle bay is not even large enough to accommodate a runabout, if you look at the dimensions of the ship and the size of the shuttle bay. It is about 250 meters long which puts it at about 50 meters in height, which would make the shuttle bay 4-5 meters in height.

The height of a runabout is listed between about 5-6 meters, which means a normal runabout probably could not get through the doors, much less the carrier pets with the extended sensor bars.

So it is not clear that even one of these could fit into the Akira, much less 40+.

And, the canon sources seem to indicate that a Peregrine class ship is not only longer, but significantly higher than a Danube class ship. The fact that the Akira can launch one through its rear shuttle bay defies the laws of physics.

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# 13
01-17-2013, 11:34 AM
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Bingo, with the BO power you can in fact launch shuttles from a Fed cruiser.

The difference between a Carrier and Fed Cruiser or Battle Cruisers isn't having access to small craft, its having built in ability to use it combat wise.

A Carrier has hangar bays, a Cruiser has shuttle bays. What do I mean by that? Hangar bays have way more crafts and possibly an area inside them that acts as control centre originizing and controlling the launched crafts and keeping them working with each other.

Hangar Bays I figure are much larger then shuttle bays with more specialized equiptment.

Take Consumable Fighters for example, they work differently on carriers and none carriers. Why? Because of the Hangar Bays act like mission control sort of coordinating the fighters. So Carriers and Hybred Carriers are equipt with specialized equiptment the allows them to give carrier commands. Shuttle Bays aren't.

Its why cosumable fighters AI are dumber on a cruiser then a carrier.

And any ship is capable of launching playable shuttles.
If that were true, then the Galaxy class would be the ultimate Star Fleet small craft launcher. It is the only ship in canon to have a large shuttle bay. It is the only ship in canon shown to have the capability of transporting not just shuttlecraft, but small ships like the runabout. It not only has 3 shuttle bays, one of them extremely large, but it has a myriad of cargo bays which have the capability of transporting small craft in and out of the ship using the transporter system (as seen on the show).

Maybe the Soverign class could accommodate a runabout or two, but it looks to me like it would have a tough time fitting through the door.

Last edited by logicalspock; 01-17-2013 at 11:37 AM.
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# 14
01-17-2013, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by syberghost View Post
Just add more fighter consumable devices. That's easy, and it gives other ships this capability without radically shifting their balance.
That is what I suggested in a thread I posted here many weeks ago (with nary a reply...)

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Maybe the Soverign class could accommodate a runabout or two, but it looks to me like it would have a tough time fitting through the door.
Oh Really? You haven't seen the Argo in Nemesis have you?

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I am fairly certain that Akiras not only could not store 40+ ships, but that their shuttle bay is not even large enough to accommodate a runabout, if you look at the dimensions of the ship and the size of the shuttle bay. It is about 250 meters long which puts it at about 50 meters in height, which would make the shuttle bay 4-5 meters in height.

The height of a runabout is listed between about 5-6 meters, which means a normal runabout probably could not get through the doors, much less the carrier pets with the extended sensor bars.

So it is not clear that even one of these could fit into the Akira, much less 40+.

And, the canon sources seem to indicate that a Peregrine class ship is not only longer, but significantly higher than a Danube class ship. The fact that the Akira can launch one through its rear shuttle bay defies the laws of physics.
Its hearsay but I think the creator said the shuttle bays take up at least a third of the volume in the saucer. Also here is a picture of his drawing of the aft shuttle bay doors. Aft Saucer Concept A runabout could fit through those side doors but I think it'll be a tight maneuver to do so.

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# 15
01-17-2013, 12:58 PM
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That is what I suggested in a thread I posted here many weeks ago (with nary a reply...)

Oh Really? You haven't seen the Argo in Nemesis have you?
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Canon sources show the shuttle that deployed it to be about 20 meters long, putting the height of the shuttlecraft with folded stabilizers at about 5-6 meters in height.
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# 16
01-17-2013, 12:59 PM
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I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. Canon sources show the shuttle that deployed it to be about 20 meters long, putting the height of the shuttlecraft with folded stabilizers at about 5-6 meters in height.
And did you not said the runabout is about 5-6 meters in height too?
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# 17
01-17-2013, 01:01 PM
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And did you not said the runabout is about 5-6 meters in height too?
Yes, so a Soverign class ship might barely be able to fit it through the doors (although it could probably beam them in or out if the doors were too small).

The Akira class doors are even smaller. A Runabout might fit in, although it doesn't look like it would.

A Peregrine or a Runabout with a sensor bar certainly would not fit in.

Also, those extra doors on the sides don't seem to exist on the filming model.
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# 18
01-17-2013, 01:01 PM
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One thing I find odd about this game; cruisers cannot use shuttle craft but carriers can.
Put "Boarding Parties" on your engineer. You'll be making a mistake by doing so, but cruisers can launch shuttles.
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# 19
01-17-2013, 01:04 PM
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Yes, so a Soverign class ship might barely be able to fit it through the doors (although it could probably beam them in or out if the doors were too small).

The Akira class doors are even smaller. A Runabout might fit in, although it doesn't look like it would.

A Peregrine or a Runabout with a sensor bar certainly would not fit in.

Also, those extra doors on the sides don't seem to exist on the filming model.
Yeah I agree with you on that and it's weapon pod, not sensor bar. I do think the Akira can deploy normal runabouts though, just not in an intense combat launching mode.

And you mean the CG Model like this one? http://drexfiles.files.wordpress.com...akira_back.jpg

http://drexfiles.wordpress.com/2009/...e-akira-class/ according to his entry, that rear view is taken of the Lightwave imported model used for the DS9/Voyager episodes.

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# 20
01-17-2013, 01:46 PM
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I am fairly certain that Akiras not only could not store 40+ ships, but that their shuttle bay is not even large enough to accommodate a runabout, if you look at the dimensions of the ship and the size of the shuttle bay. It is about 250 meters long which puts it at about 50 meters in height, which would make the shuttle bay 4-5 meters in height.

The height of a runabout is listed between about 5-6 meters, which means a normal runabout probably could not get through the doors, much less the carrier pets with the extended sensor bars.

So it is not clear that even one of these could fit into the Akira, much less 40+.

And, the canon sources seem to indicate that a Peregrine class ship is not only longer, but significantly higher than a Danube class ship. The fact that the Akira can launch one through its rear shuttle bay defies the laws of physics.
You would be quite wrong on so many levels. The Akira was conceived of as a carrier crossed with a torpedo ship. Nearly 500 meters long, pushing 400 meters wide, with almost the entire "saucer" being taken up by hangar space. She's a Heavy Cruiser, but Cryptic shoved her in with escorts 1/3 to 1/4th her size for god knows what reason. Scale in STO is beyond terrible on many, many ships. I'll be nice and save the crew compliment rant for another thread as well.

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