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# 21
01-17-2013, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by mimey2 View Post
Not to be a back-seat moderator, but you really shouldn't 'name and shame' (I think that's the term) here on the forums.
Yeah, I was wondering if it would fall into that category.

I was merely correcting him about the idea the OP was the one guy he was talking about. But you're probably right, I'll edit my post just in case.


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Career Officer
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# 22
01-17-2013, 12:51 PM
Yea p2w is a outdated term now days because one some ships are free like the bug if you got lucky long ago. Also the fleet ships you can buy moduals off the exchange or you can pay 2000 zen for them either way. I just liked to bring it up cause the rules of it were no p2w so I couldn't bring my bug (which was free like the breen ship) so I got in a tear 4 ship and was suppose to fight a normal defiant but he brought a fleet version lol. Yea he owned my 24k hull ship hehe!

Plus this is a free game and this z store stuff keeps it going!
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# 23
01-17-2013, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by snoge00f View Post
Depending on how hard you grind, it can take you up to 2 months of pure grind to get a JHAS.

Of course I hear of people who make 30-40 million ec a day, so your mileage may vary.
Took me 2 weeks in kerrat for 300mil....people donated the other 100mil.
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# 24
01-17-2013, 01:30 PM
However whether it be fleet ship or lock box ship every single item in this game can be farmed through ec or dilithium/zen. However what people have a problem with is the opinions of an individual...what do you consider P2W( more or less people saying spam or cheese). It's all a matter of perspective...I could care less if you run it or not in regards to consoles (only asking that you don't over do it). Plus adding these consoles to your ship decreases your survivability to some regard. Now, to the lock box ships...if you have enough time to farm up for your fleet ship or "P2W" consoles...you have enough time to farm up for any ship.
I'll tell you right now every lockbox ship in the game can be farmed in a week excluding the jem. Furthermore respect people's opinions and perspectives.
Commander
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# 25
01-17-2013, 01:31 PM
I prefer P2KB (Kill Balance). P2W ends up being the standard term to fall back on but only distracts from the real problem, poorly balanced mechanics/gimmicks.
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Captain
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# 26
01-17-2013, 01:56 PM
I suppose given my forum handle I should chime in, guess what my opinion is?








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Anyway, P2W started the unbalanced power creep spiral that's in the game in many forms now. There are other issues w/it I wont get into again b/c there's not much point tbh.

I don't really see the point in denying its existance unless a player wants to fly his/her bug/FleetShip in the "Classic Tourney" or some other tourney.

Off topic:

To me it makes sense for things like the "Classic Tourney" to be restrictive to ships/gear prior to C-Store influx and set rollouts. It's about getting rid of the powercreep and seeing how things playout. I'd even have players use honor system to not bring toons w/rep system boosts.
Career Officer
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# 27
01-17-2013, 02:22 PM
Sadly we're in a downward spiral with the way things are in p2w.

Cryptic has found a formula that is more profitable and cheap than extensive FE development. And as a result we're going to keep seeing more junk like Tach Mines, etc.

I hope the Classic tourney ends up as model that most follow, but I doubt it.


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Survivor of Romulus
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# 28
01-17-2013, 02:23 PM
Hi i wanted to chime in, but i was waiting for p2wsucks to post...lol

I wrote a similar post

I have to say thank u p2wsucks you really changed my perspective of on how the game sould be played and since then...my every thing is up attack,defense,friends list. Other then a few uses i have weeded out my p2w consules from my builds and am enjoying the game much more...8D

Thnx again p2wsucks
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# 29
01-17-2013, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by livinrtb View Post
Hi i wanted to chime in, but i was waiting for p2wsucks to post...lol

I wrote a similar post

I have to say thank u p2wsucks you really changed my perspective of on how the game sould be played and since then...my every thing is up attack,defense,friends list. Other then a few uses i have weeded out my p2w consules from my builds and am enjoying the game much more...8D

Thnx again p2wsucks
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Glad things are working out for you.

Also, for the record it's not like I don't abuse things, I fly the KDF Vet ship and use Aux2batt build w/my Tac.

The friends list thing wasn't something I had given thought to.

Friends don't let friends abuse P2W? Or in general power creep?
Lieutenant
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# 30
01-17-2013, 08:16 PM
The match in question was a bug ship against a fleet defient with tachyon mines. Keep in mind the defient wasn't even using cloak defient won.Bug ship called defient p2w spammer as usual.Bug ship says take off your mines and ill fight you in my advanced escort.Defient beats advanced 5-0. then it was oh you beat me because your flying a fleet ship. My point is almost every ship flown at this point is p2w or as some say g2w congrats if you were 1 of 5 ppl who got your bug ship free. 99.9% of the ppl payed for it in one way or another. Instead of yelling in opvp about p2w spammer do what naz suggested say gg and move on.
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