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# 11
01-18-2013, 02:06 AM
Have you tried charged particle burst? Most Bird of Prey will linger close to enemy ships, making the 5km radius ability quite effective. I used it two days ago on my fleet patrol escort when my team got stuck fighting an enemy team of 5 bird of prey (3 b'rel). Have Beam Overload III ready for them once they decloak, it will usually one hit kill them. Just be sure to have teamates around when you use the CPB ability. Later in that match I was flying solo capping zones when a B'rel torp boat showed up. I used CPB and not only decloaked the B'rel but also two of his friends. (They must have realized that I was the only one using anti-cloak abilities) All I can say is it was a good thing I had engine batteries off cooldown .
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# 12
01-18-2013, 03:44 AM
BoPs are easiset ships to kil. At least since Cryptic changed energy drain from cannons and boosted healing turning escorts in destroyers.

It is fast and have battlecloak, yes. But it is also so weak that it will blow if you look at it the right way. So if you got blasted by him, it was because he was better player, your ship setup was not up the task for FvK or both.

If he was better player - learn, play FvK or gank Klinks in Ker'rat for start and then return to blow his derri?re. If it was your setup - check it, ask question, modify it and return to win with him. If both - do both and play FvK.

Try hull attacking weapons. Got a lot of plasma torps and mines for DoT (escorts rarely carry double HE to keep it in check). Or use transphasic weapons. Use drain setup to deny him his aux and eng powers and with it - cloak and speed. Use you natural resists as sci and healing to keep the incoming damage in check. SNB him to reduce his buffs (speed/resistance/damage) and allow your teammates to kill him.

All in all - sci vs BoP should end in only one way: BoPs head on golden plate. If it does not then there is something seriously wrong with sci.

Also - factor in the team your were playing with. Coordination works wonders and if your team cannot coordinate, while the enemies show even a sliver of coordination - you will loose no matter how good you are.

And at the end - if the arenas I played at cmdr and also the Ker'rat encounters are any indication of Klink condition: FvK will get a LOT easier in time. New Klinks I met (new = low level) simply suck. Even relatively uncoordinated Fed team was winning 15:0 in most of those games.

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My 2c on FvK - I left it looong time ago due to spam ammounts. And it was in time when Warhammer ships were the main if not only carriers in game. Currently with the carriers/carrier hybrids available for both factions there is no reason to stay with FvF only. The spam must flow, sadly.
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# 13
01-18-2013, 05:26 AM
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Have you tested Aceton Assimilators?
I guess you haven't been sucked dry by a siphon drone lately. ... But power insulators ... do NOTHING. kthxbai

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# 14
01-18-2013, 06:55 AM
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thats brings back such memories of how the feds ran to the Devs to make a fvf que just for this reasoning in the first place.

How sad. When one cant compete in a single match, run hide in fvf.
Is KvK thriving in the current game environment?

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# 15
01-18-2013, 08:00 AM
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Is KvK thriving in the current game environment?
Saying FvK is dead is an exaggeration. Saying KvK doesn't exist is just factual. What's the point when everyone can cloak?
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# 16
01-18-2013, 08:37 AM
All Klinks told me, that cloak is not a problem etc. So... it is when your enemy has cloak, right?
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# 17
01-18-2013, 08:47 AM
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All Klinks told me, that cloak is not a problem etc. So... it is when your enemy has cloak, right?
Ah, funny man. Consider a match where everyone is cloaked, what do you think happens? I'll give you a hint - nothing.

Just for the record, I believe the Feds have cloaking on some ships. I'm for this. It changed PvP from a one-sided game where Fedballs wait for the Klinks to decloak and attack, to a reasonable two-sided game.
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# 18
01-18-2013, 08:51 AM
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Ah, funny man. Consider a match where everyone is cloaked, what do you think happens? I'll give you a hint - nothing.

Just for the record, I believe the Feds have cloaking on some ships. I'm for this. It changed PvP from a one-sided game where Fedballs wait for the Klinks to decloak and attack, to a reasonable two-sided game.
The last week or two I've seen a jump in KvK arena matches pop (weekend particularly) and even had a KvK C&H pop.
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# 19
01-18-2013, 09:04 AM
I have nothing against cloak or battlecloak for Feds. I don't have anything against Feds not having it (we have better ships after all).

It is just funny when one side is complaining about cloak, the other say that cloak is ok... but only when only they have it because if the enemy have it, the game sucks. I wonder what Klinks would say if they run into a match with Defiants and Galaxys-X only

And Klinks have some non-cloaking ships in their arsenal right? Gorn ships and that fugly Warhammer 40000 carrier. Or do they have cloak too?
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# 20
01-18-2013, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by zarathos1978 View Post
I have nothing against cloak or battlecloak for Feds. I don't have anything against Feds not having it (we have better ships after all).

It is just funny when one side is complaining about cloak, the other say that cloak is ok... but only when only they have it because if the enemy have it, the game sucks. I wonder what Klinks would say if they run into a match with Defiants and Galaxys-X only

And Klinks have some non-cloaking ships in their arsenal right? Gorn ships and that fugly Warhammer 40000 carrier. Or do they have cloak too?

There are plenty that don't cloak. The Bortas has **** cloak, too. Basically a free MES.

Anyway the advantage of the cloak is severally negated by a science captain and several science powers. I love Brels come by me, I'll tb, bump or viral you. Or just hit sensor scan and chase you shooting plasma or transphasics until you die. It's lolz.
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