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# 11
01-18-2013, 09:07 PM
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Oh look an opinion on the internet over something none-relevant.
You're right. The appearance and respective technologies of the NX and Constitution classes is irrelevant for this thread. I apologize.

I would like to see a TOS version of the Constellation and Miranda classes; however I think any TOS-looking ships will look a bit out-of-place at endgame. I think they should be reserved to Tier 1 and maybe 2 at the most.
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# 12
01-18-2013, 09:15 PM
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That's like saying this looks more advanced than this.
well technically you have it backwards. The NX-01 was built around a century before the NCC-1701, so actually the systems on the NCC-1701 are supposed to be more advanced as far as the In-Universe Canon is concerned. However as an outside observer they appear less advanced in the Original Series than the NX-01's tech. But then again the Original Series was made during the 60's while the TV Series entitled Enterprise was made during the early 2000's. However, if you were to include the J.J. Abrams version of the Constitution Class Enterprise, then that definitely looks more advanced than the NX-01. But then we don't have that version of the Constitution Class in our game XD

P.S. I wouldn't mind a Tier 5 Constitution Class, but only if the Tier 5 Constitution Class happens to be the J.J. Abrams version of it, complete with the Movies Ship Interior.
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# 13
01-18-2013, 09:25 PM
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well technically you have it backwards. The NX-01 was built around a century before the NCC-1701, so actually the systems on the NCC-1701 are supposed to be more advanced as far as the In-Universe Canon is concerned. However as an outside observer they appear less advanced in the Original Series than the NX-01's tech.
That's exactly what I meant. If the NX-01 looks more advanced, that's just because it was older and more functional (like a steam train) whereas the Constitution was sleeker and more futuristic-looking (like a modern train).

I never really liked the Abramsprise. Though I guess I wouldn't ragequit if it got in.
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# 14
01-18-2013, 09:53 PM
earth nx class did have more advance tooking tech the tos tech but certainly earht unuted starfleet want not as advanced at tos tech. duetronics were not developed til the 2230's and 2240's and push buttons. maybe it was only earth starfleet had the more advanced earth looking tech then toss and matbe few but not all cargo ships crew build their own more advanced displays as they went throught their travel routes. but the bulk of earth contributations to te federation fleet came from the earth cargo service with lesser tech then earth starfleet own ships and vulcans held earth back a lot too. how much would the vulcans have tried to hold back the federation from reaching higher. the nx fleet seemed to be too young to be at about 10 or 11 years old in 2261. the nx class was more advanced earth ships then the deadulas class ships came out in about 2156 then in shield tech. maybe the nx class fleet was to be the prototype class for duetronics til about 2230's and 2240's if vulcan would have allowed earth to have shield on the nx fleet when they were being built maybe the nx fleet would have been able to defeat the romulans with out the need for deadulas class.

with mass fleet building of ships some tech went back wards for a while
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# 15
01-18-2013, 11:11 PM
captiandata1, you realize that the NX designation was still in use as of the time of Deep Space 9? And it probably is still in use to day. All the NX designation does is indicate that a ship is a prototype. In otherwords prior to being shipped out to War (while it was still under development) the Defiant probably had the NX designation as it was in fact the prototype for all Defiant Class Starships and therefore the testbed for all of the technology that would be utilized on said ships.

In fact the Noble Class Assault Cruiser on the cover of Star Trek Online: The Needs of the Many has the registry number NX-91001, and it is one of the ships that is present in the Ships of the Line Articles that were released in conjunction with this game. And since the Ships of the Line Articles count as Canon Articles, the NX-91001 is an official ship.

In otherwords, the NX designation from Enterprise, is not a class of ships. Rather it is a designation (just like NCC, ACV, AVG, AVT, CV, CVA, CVAN, CVB, CVE, CVGH, CVH, CVHE, CVL, CVN, CVS, CVV and various others from around the world and various fictional stories). And as such it can be applied to multiple types of ships. Heck, the NCC designation alone can be applied to virtually any and all active Starfleet vessels.
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# 16
01-18-2013, 11:31 PM
To be fair there are 2409 versions of the constitution class.

The excalibur, vesper, and exeter are all new designs based on the constitution.

http://www.stowiki.org/Cruiser_Refit

Any one of those skins would make a t5 connie paletable for even the most zelous "its too old" whiner.

If it happened I would make it like this...

35,000 Hull
1.0 shield mod
4/4 weapons
9.5 degree turn rate
50 intertia
400 crew
0.15 impulse mod
+5 to all sub systems
4/3/2 consoles
3 device slots


CMDR eng
LTC sci
LT tac x2
ENS eng.

For a special console I'd give it somthing that replects the vespers description a little better. Like some kind of subsystem power booster.
Actualy reading things pefore posting will make you look smarter than yelling loudly. Reading comprehension is aparently a lost art.

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# 17
01-19-2013, 12:58 AM
well the exter kinda looks like the abrams connie. i guess ty can work the interior as well and it will fit 2409
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# 18
01-19-2013, 01:44 AM
I think trying to shoehorn TOS ships into T5 is not the right solution.

I would prefer new "ship costumes" for current era ships with a TOS aesthetic. Imagine the Ody but instead of all sleek curves it was all hard edges, geometric shapes, painted TOS white and sporting TOS style nacelles?

Or an Akira/HEC made in the TOS style.

They would be the ships we know today, with the same outlines... only using blockier, bulkier parts, painted TOS white and using the older style nacelles.

Something like these:

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/gallery/...le&cat=501

http://www.scifi-meshes.com/gallery/...rsir21&cat=501
Captain
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# 19
01-19-2013, 02:02 AM
Never feel like you are being annoying by asking about tier 5 era specific ships. These threads are rare, they have been for over a year anyways.

The most important thing to remember is that a ships age means nothing to sto technology. If they can fit tier 5 tech into a defiant or jem hadar bug, they can fit it into a Connie.

I have set money aside so that I can get a life time membership when they release the tier 5 Connie refit.

CBS and PWE are both corporations, they won't pass up the money this could make for them, both in sales and securing customer loyalty. It's probably being saved for a cold day.
The Somraw, K'tinga, D'Kyr, D7, Kumari, Xindi carrier, Xindi escort, and the T'Varo are all older than the Constitution Refit and yet they are tier 5. The Constellation is made up primarily of Connie refit parts and it is tier 5, there is no logical reason whatsoever for the no tier 5/6 connie rule.
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# 20
01-19-2013, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by helixsunbringer View Post
Despite whatever else you may have said, this cannot be a plausible reason for bringing the constitution class back. The reason I say this is because the Borg Nanovirus' proved effective against the U.S.S. Enterprise NX-01, as such they would be just as effective when used against the far less advanced (by appearances anyways) computer systems of the Constitution Class Starships from the Original Series. Granted those systems were supposed to be more advanced by a century, but they looked less advanced when you get right down to it.
Not necessarily. In the Romulan War era books (not canon as such, but good none the less), they explained the more advanced look of the NX over the Connie away quite well, in that they had to "back track" their computer interfaces and networking designs so they'd prove resistant to Romulan tele-capture devices which enabled them to hack another ships systems and assume control over it. The TOS style bridge interfaces were the result.

Now I'm not a TOS Connie advocate, not at tier 5, but I do find that this is as close to an "elite" setting as you can have in a lot of the regular story missions too, I still dust it off now and again. Were it to be implemented however, I'd imagine something that would be to cruisers what a BOP is to escorts. More flexible, more agile, but with less hit points and less boff slots, entirely unspecialised.

As for endgame 23rd Century aesthetic, there is always the Excelsior, and it now comes in fleet form with 4 tactical consoles (nom!).
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