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# 11
01-19-2013, 08:38 AM
I just try to explain away the appearance of the TOS Connies as desperate measures in desperate times. The Federation needs every little piece of help, so they bring those out of mothballs to conduct routine patrols, short-range escorts and minor errands.
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# 12
01-19-2013, 08:48 AM
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... using TOR as an example, I do not believe that Bioware itself would add the X-Wing or Tie-Fighter into the game because it would be detrimental to the timeline.
Yes, lets do that.

Oh look a Star Destroyer, oh look a TIE fighter, oh look a Corellian Freighter.

If there is a word to describe TOR art direction is ... coward, this dates back to KotOR were we had a Star Destroyer, TIE Fighters and Corellian ships were at least the EU tried to go with other designs, as the Sith ships back at the Great Hyperspace War were NOT delta type "I AM A STAR DESTROYER!!!" that is pretty much what is coming out of BioWare, they been bankrupt of ideas and been regurgitating the same things over and over for quite some time.

You are in a strait face telling me TOR does not have X-Wings or TIE Fighters...

http://swtor.wikia.com/wiki/Mk._VI_Imperial_interceptor
http://swtor.wikia.com/wiki/Liberator-class_starfighter

You want me to also point out the clearly not a Naboo royal starship?
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# 13
01-19-2013, 08:49 AM
Just to be a bit more accurate...

The only reason Gene Roddenberry would be 'Rolling-Over-in-His-Grave' about this...
(if He even had one - Cremation anybody?)

Is because He's not around to get His 'Fair Share' !

The man was just as Capitalistic as most Hollywood Producers are known to be.
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# 14
01-19-2013, 08:55 AM
A lot of the debate is centralized the past ships which are ok and are there for a nostalga point of view which is fine. However its the Timeships that bother me, it just seems like Cryptic are focused less on story and more on whatever content they can cram into the game, including ships that do not belong in the current timeline.

The problem is, when is this going to stop. When is Cryptic going to turn around and say, thats enough ships... lets put OTHER aspects into the game as well and focus on creating our own envisionment of Starfleet in the 25th Century and NOT rip-off past episodes and ships that we should not be seeing for the next 400-500 years.

It completely devalues the whole game and makes it look like a flimsy fan-fiction rather then a commercial product?

Btw, f2pdrakron thats called a design linage, usually ship-builders do not stray from designs that are proven in battle, that is why a lot of ships in Star Wars are very similar in design, just in resource or scope to show the economical and cultural attitudes at the time.

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# 15
01-19-2013, 09:02 AM
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A lot of the debate is centralized the past ships which are ok and are there for a nostalga point of view which is fine. However its the Timeships that bother me, it just seems like Cryptic are focused less on story and more on whatever content they can cram into the game, including ships that do not belong in the current timeline.

The problem is, when is this going to stop. When is Cryptic going to turn around and say, thats enough ships... lets put OTHER aspects into the game as well and focus on creating our own envisionment of Starfleet in the 25th Century and NOT rip-off past episodes and ships that we should not be seeing for the next 400-500 years.

It completely devalues the whole game and makes it look like a flimsy fan-fiction rather then a commercial product?
In Your Opinion ...

In My Opinion, any ship They want to add to the game just gives it a more realistic look...

How many old Planes, Trains & Automobiles do we still see around today... Plenty.

And just like in my everyday life, the stuff that the Dev's are adding to the game are NOT equal in the the way they are used.

As has been said before... This game is never going to be the game you want it to be...

Relax...

Get over it and enjoy it to the best of your potential... AS IS.

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# 16
01-19-2013, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by warbird1988 View Post
A lot of the debate is centralized the past ships which are ok and are there for a nostalgia point of view which is fine. However its the Timeships that bother me, it just seems like Cryptic are focused less on story and more on whatever content they can cram into the game, including ships that do not belong in the current timeline.

The problem is, when is this going to stop. When is Cryptic going to turn around and say, thats enough ships... lets put OTHER aspects into the game as well and focus on creating our own environment of StarFleet in the 25th Century and NOT rip-off past episodes and ships that we should not be seeing for the next 400-500 years.

It completely devalues the whole game and makes it look like a flimsy fan-fiction rather then a commercial product?

BTW: f2pdrakron, thats called a design linage, usually ship-builders do not stray from designs that are proven in battle, that is why a lot of ships in Star Wars are very similar in design, just in resource or scope to show the economical and cultural attitudes at the time.
Interesting...

You can find a way to Justify what goes on with TOR, but with STO it seems Impossible??

That's kinda-sorta strange dear Sir.
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# 17
01-19-2013, 09:09 AM
TOR doesn't have ships from the 29th Century with a design so different that its impossible to even believe that Starfleet could have even thought of that before then. The Relativity was the only example and both Seven and Janeway did not see anything about that ship to know its specifications.

If you remember, there is something called the "Temporal Integrity Commission" who correct major disruptions to the Timeline and would probably not approve of 25th Century Admirals using 29th Century Starships. Since Braxton went back in time to remove Voyager over 20th Century Earth. They would happily interfere in the 25th Century to correct that problem.

I just love how Cryptic assumes that because the Tholians had access to the USS Defiant in the Mirror Universe. That makes them somehow "Master of Time-Travel" or "Timelords".

Like I said before, the NX and Connie really do not bother me at all.

So yeah... the timeships are all bull and when this game really lost touch with itself.

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# 18
01-19-2013, 09:20 AM
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TOR doesn't have ships from the 29th Century with a design so different that its impossible to even believe that Starfleet could have even thought of that before then. The Relativity was the only example and both Seven and Janeway did not see anything about that ship to know its specifications.

If you remember, there is something called the "Temporal Integrity Commission" who correct major disruptions to the Timeline and would probably not approve of 25th Century Admirals using 29th Century Starships. Since Braxton went back in time to remove Voyager over 20th Century Earth. They would happily interfere in the 25th Century to correct that problem.

I just love how Cryptic assumes that because the Tholians had access to the USS Defiant in the Mirror Universe. That makes them somehow "Master of Time-Travel" or "Timelords".

Like I said before, the NX and Connie really do not bother me at all.

So yeah... the timeships are all bull and when this game really lost touch with itself.
You can't Imagine that perhaps the Time Ships are being sent back on purpose to assist...,

Because the Iconians are mucking around with things and causing a worse Time Disruption that concerns the T.I.C. even more?
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# 19
01-19-2013, 09:22 AM
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Btw, f2pdrakron thats called a design linage.
No its not.

The Star Destroyer was a departure of the traditional Republic lines, I can be fair and say Lucas was as guilt as that in the prequels but take this as a example.

The Galatic Empire never changed the Republic insignia (as you can see it on Phantom), yet look at the Sith Empire in Bioware games.

Its the same, funny isnt ...

BioWare simply taken the coward way out, there is really any evolution or anything different because they are basing all their designs in existing designs and even doing it wrong, in KotOR we had the Republic clearly using Rebel Alliance style armor with the Sith using Stormstrooper style armor and this come down to the point we had Republic=Rebel Alliance/Sith=Galactic Empire in terms of aesthetics despite making no sense as the Sith were former Republic and Jedi forces and so such a design shift is more that odd and if you try to rationalize it even further it becomes a even bigger mess because you cannot use the Star Forge without retcon the Sith to hilarity.

Were that connects to TOR? because the TOR Emperor was descendent of the Sith, the Hyperspace War Sith and so that design lineage makes no sense bit THAT is not how a Sith ship looked like, in fact the Sith Empire had NO Emperors, they had a council with the leader being "Dark Lord of the Sith", if you cannot see how BioWare was so coward in TOR is about everything then you are blind, nothing on that game stands as unique ... we all see it before, be it Clone Wars, WoW, Original Trilogy it simply breaks no new grounds, stands on its own in any aspect and its just regurgitating what we have seen.

And this is why I am no longer a Star Wars fan.

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# 20
01-19-2013, 09:27 AM
Unfortunatly, the same is true of Star Trek and Cryptic has done the same, rather then design their own ships, they have decided to bring in vessels that could have never existed during the 25th Century. Not to mention stealing armor from Mass Effect.

and.... SOMEBODY hasn't heard of the TEMPORAL PRIME DIRECTIVE if they think 29th Century Starfleet would interfere in that. Did they interfere in the Xindi Crisis created by the Sphere Builders... no,

Daniels just showed Archer the Battle of Procyon V without informing Starfleet during his timeline but he still did not offer any definitive assistance against the Sphere Builders. The same was true with the Alien Nazi's from the Episode "Storm Front" at the start of Enterprise's 4th Season.

The Temporal Integrity Commission will ONLY go as far to render assistance in some capacity, not provide ships and technology that would pollute the timeline further.

Although to be honest, its the best excuse for wiping the game and starting over, I've ever heard. XD

It would the be the same as England in the 29th Century sending nuclear weapons back in time to the American Independence War to England in that time period because they could see what would happen as a result of that.

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