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# 21
01-19-2013, 07:29 AM
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Not a very long time, eh? Maybe the Kamarag came before the Ambassador by a brief period...
It says only a few prototype ships were made.

Its possible the Kamarag was going to enter service and with the Khitomer Massacre the KDF suddenly was in a war with the Romulans that required a different ship, the K't'inga service might been extended because it was a more suitable ship that the Kamarag were it ever really entering full production.

Its possible the Kamarag was for a similar mission as the Nebula class, surveillance over the Romulan border as Romulan incursions dated at least 2 years before the Khitomer Massacre, its also possible that the Kamarag was designed even Romulan started to attack along the border and the ship was intended as a exploration cruiser and was no longer of much use due to the war with the Romulans that required a different type of ship.

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# 22
01-19-2013, 08:03 AM
It's kind of unfortunate that there are several KDF ships that were referred to, but their classes not revealed (verbal nor shown) - but that have been "labeled" as Vor'cha in other games, books, etc, etc.

They could have developed a point of reference for them otherwise.
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# 23
01-19-2013, 01:15 PM
I really have to wonder how bad this one's going to be. Flat fact now, the best "cruiser" in the game currently is the Tor'kaht, and for free cruisers, the Vor'cha. What I see here is a re-mistake on the order of the Bortasque-beautifully arted, but compared to what we already have on the red team, redundant-I don't think the "Pay version" released after is going to sell very well.

it doesn't have the "manna" of the Ambassador class with that magical name "Enterprise" and an appearance on TNG going for it, and it doesn't fill an empty slot in the line-up that would garner a strong following or wide popularity beyond the novelty of being a new release.

Maybe my gut instinct is outright wrong here-maybe they actually put some thought into it, rather than just kut-n-paste the stats of the Ambassador but with a gimpy shield, hull, and cloak-and of course, the ability to mount Dual Cannons it doesn't hae the turn rate to actually USE. (aka the Bort problem-DPS means nothing if you can't apply it.)

as for statting...

It's supposed to be a short-run vessel from a cancelled programme. This could mean many things, including all of the above paragraphs I just wrote being dead wrong.

So...let us be optimistic.

Hull: 35,000
Turn:10
Shield:1.0
+5 weps, +10 Aux

Weps: 4f/4r

Seating:
CDR Sci
LTC Tac
LTC Eng.
LT. Uni

Consoles:
4 Sci
3 Eng
3 Tac

Capabilities: Sensor Analysis, Subsystem Targeting, Standard Cloak.
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# 24
01-19-2013, 01:38 PM
im not sure were you guys are getting this limited use prototype stuff, its clearly a cruiser between the ktinga and vorcha, thats all thats really certain. such a thing most certainly existed within the canon, we just never saw it.

this sci ship and breen ship stuff is kinda bizarre, its gonna be a cruiser theres no question. you just got a sci ship and destroyer in the form of the temporal ships, its been quite a wile since a new cruiser was added. take a look at the ktinga and vorcha, its gonna be somewhere between those 2, with an unused yet station niche. i'll only believe stranger station setups on more alien designs.
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# 25
01-19-2013, 03:28 PM
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im not sure were you guys are getting this limited use prototype stuff.
Caption.
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We've added a new screenshot to the screenshot gallery. The Kamarag class was first designed in the mid-24th century, but only a few prototype vessels were built.
It says all, it was something that never really entered real production, only a few ships were build.

As you mentioned the Breen ship this opens the question of were the Kamarag can fit, we have Tactical Battlecruisers (Vorcha) and Heavy "tank" Cruisers (Negh'Var) so there is a question were this will lie, I do not think its going to be a Science Ship as Federation Science ships because ... well SA and Cloak? we are in the PvP forum so I dont need to say more.

If its going to be a cruiser and much points to that then we have the usual discussion of cruisers, if it lacks tactical stations and its some kind of Negh'Var with a science bend I would say its going to be as welcomed as the Bortas for different reasons.
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# 26
01-19-2013, 03:43 PM
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im not sure were you guys are getting this limited use prototype stuff, its clearly a cruiser between the ktinga and vorcha, thats all thats really certain. such a thing most certainly existed within the canon, we just never saw it.

this sci ship and breen ship stuff is kinda bizarre, its gonna be a cruiser theres no question. you just got a sci ship and destroyer in the form of the temporal ships, its been quite a wile since a new cruiser was added. take a look at the ktinga and vorcha, its gonna be somewhere between those 2, with an unused yet station niche. i'll only believe stranger station setups on more alien designs.
Like I said, "Optimistic" as opposed to "gee, yet another cruiser, yawn."

As to the lockbox ****-er, ships, ready?

they really don't count in terms of filling the roster. Honestly. they don't. Going by your logic, the KDF already has a top-end escort because the JHAS comes in a lockbox.

The Krenn is, after all, just a reskin of the Wells with some capabilities gimped, and it has no availability unless someone buys Lockbox keys, just like the Jem ship...
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# 27
01-19-2013, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by f2pdrakron View Post
Caption.


It says all, it was something that never really entered real production, only a few ships were build.

As you mentioned the Breen ship this opens the question of were the Kamarag can fit, we have Tactical Battlecruisers (Vorcha) and Heavy "tank" Cruisers (Negh'Var) so there is a question were this will lie, I do not think its going to be a Science Ship as Federation Science ships because ... well SA and Cloak? we are in the PvP forum so I dont need to say more.

If its going to be a cruiser and much points to that then we have the usual discussion of cruisers, if it lacks tactical stations and its some kind of Negh'Var with a science bend I would say its going to be as welcomed as the Bortas for different reasons.
welll...I suspect the Vesta's perfect cloak doesn't interfere with ITS sensor analysis...but yeah, the probability is that this is going to be a cruiser, and probably on the mediocre side-something for the RP'ers and redundant for everyone else.
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# 28
01-19-2013, 04:11 PM
Well if they given SA to it and a cloak you know its one minute at 10k before going for a Alpha, even if its just a Lt. Tactical that would really piss off a lot of people that I suspect will not accept anything under a Lt. and a Ens tactical and really want a Lt. Cmdr universal so they can put then in tactical.

Breen Layout would be beautiful but also very broken, I suspect the bare minimum would be a Lt. Cmdr Eng regardless, the jury is out on the Cmdr that I can see it being either Eng or Sci ... Tac, not really because, well very broken.

On the subject of the Vesta I wish Cryptic did what they did with Carriers with the Atrox and make a Vesta-like ship being on the KDF by being one of the Fur ... err ... Vampire Cat people ships, if the Feds got a True Carrier with the furries then the KDF could get a Sci/Escort/Carrier hybrid with their furries.
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# 29
01-19-2013, 04:29 PM
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...such a thing most certainly existed within the canon, we just never saw it.
Given that what is canon is dictated by appearing on screen, there is no way you can say this.
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# 30
01-19-2013, 04:51 PM
Why does it have to be a Engineering Cruiser why can it NOT be a Science Cruiser ?
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