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# 11
01-20-2013, 08:09 PM
Playing with random people can be a challenge. If the missions are made harder it could become to hard for random people to complete requiring a specific group of players to complete and that would be bad for the game.

Set your own challenges. Use weaker ship. Use weaker equipment. Play with random people. Whatever it takes try something different.
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# 12
01-20-2013, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfpack12c View Post
My teams Record times so far from start to finish

cure 5:12 w/opt. 0 deaths
Infected 6:34 w/opt. 0 deaths
Kit 6:12 w/opt. 0 deaths
Onslaught 8:54 w/3 opts. 1 death

I'm working on doing the grounds next

Now my issue is this is end game content why is it so easy... I want a challenge, the only challenge I get anymore is in pvp and even then a good match is few and far between. I'm making a plead to the devs to make STF's real end game content like they used to be combine both ground and space STF's so you have to do both in conjunction or at the same time. And make the Borg like real Borg. A threat! Right now all STF's are just a grab at points and not a challenge.
Another week, another "ESTF's are too easy!!" thread.

Here are a few ways you can extend your gameplay experience:
Option 1 - Use lower mark gear,
Option 2 - Use a lower tier ship,
Option 3 - Start playing PvP OR,
Option 4 - Beg PWE to create a FETISH ABUSE level difficulty.

I do speak for the majority when I say the devs already "fixed" unbroken STF gameplay with Season 7...LEAVE IT ALONE.
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# 13
01-20-2013, 09:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wolfpack12c View Post
My teams Record times so far from start to finish

cure 5:12 w/opt. 0 deaths
Infected 6:34 w/opt. 0 deaths
Kit 6:12 w/opt. 0 deaths
Onslaught 8:54 w/3 opts. 1 death

I'm working on doing the grounds next

Now my issue is this is end game content why is it so easy... I want a challenge, the only challenge I get anymore is in pvp and even then a good match is few and far between. I'm making a plead to the devs to make STF's real end game content like they used to be combine both ground and space STF's so you have to do both in conjunction or at the same time. And make the Borg like real Borg. A threat! Right now all STF's are just a grab at points and not a challenge.
You should have waited until you did the grounds before you started the thread.

[EDIT] PvP is real end game content imo.
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# 14
01-20-2013, 09:35 PM
Got my team up and running and knocked out an infected

Infected (ground)

2 deaths
W/opt
9:12
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# 15
01-20-2013, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wolfpack12c View Post
My teams Record times so far from start to finish
Your problem is simple, and can be seen from that very first sentence fragment: you're a top player with top level gear running in a whole team of the same. As such, your experience is very different from that of the average player, who PUGs most of their STFs and is in the slow process of getting something better than episode gear. Plus, you're probably running escorts, which have a huge advantage over many of the other classes which are also supposed to be capable of running the same content. So yeah, if you want a challenge, start by downgrading all your gear, getting a non-Fleet Recon Sci, and dropping all your bought consoles. That, with an inexperienced player, should be able to run all the content you've been running, because this game just doesn't differentiate between endgame "here's where you get all the best stuff" content and endgame "this is stupidly ridiculously hard and you need all the best stuff to have a chance" content. If it's not hard enough with that, start going down a tier at a time, T4 is certainly possible for ESTFs, I actually wouldn't be at all afraid to try my T4 Intrepid in one, but T3 might bring in some real challenge, and T2 definitely would. And of course, you can try PUGing too, which will increase the difficulty several fold.
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# 16
01-20-2013, 09:46 PM
As others have said, if you want a challenge, get basic gear and ships. Or go PUG. Let me give you an example:

Tonight (true story) my friend and I two-manned CSE. Galaxy-X and Fl. Tac. Esc. Retrofit. It took a while but we did it. Now in PUGs I've done with my very same fleet Defiant, doing CSE will be incredibly difficult and often fails. But I find that very entertaining, they are quite satisfying to play just to try and save the mission and/or see what people do.
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# 17
01-20-2013, 10:20 PM
Remind me why the OP is still posting? Seems more like a show-off thread than constructive feedback on STFs.
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# 18
01-20-2013, 10:45 PM
Look at me, I did all the ESTFs with opt! Whoo hoo!

Word of advice:
Put your member away, most of us don't care.

You beat the space STFs in low times with top level gear and ships. You want a medal? You are currently doing nothing more than bragging, which doesn't say much. You are saying STFs are too easy, without providing any reasons/incentives/suggestions on improvements.

So as everyone else here is saying:

Get into a freebie ship. Use all mk X white gear. THEN do all the ESTFs (space and ground), and then come back. If you can do that, congrats. Most of us still won't care. However if you fail miserably, please come back and say so so we can troll you.

Thank you and good night.
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# 19
01-20-2013, 10:58 PM
Just for a last post in the thread, the ultimate challenge:

Get a T1 Miranda. Load it with only Mk I or Standard Issue common quality gear. Now solo ISE and get the optional. We know it's possible to solo ISE with the optional, and we know it's possible to win ESTFs with T1 ships, so combine them.

Pull that off, and maybe we can talk about STFs being too easy, although frankly the damage variance still kills that idea. Sphere torps are currently dealing anything from 50k damage through full MACO shields with EPtS down to 5k damage on bare hull. Apart from the fact that the former just isn't survivable for everyone (my Vesta only gets around 40k hull strength fully specced into it), the variance is preposterous, and makes planning impossible and luck the major element in survival. Unless of course you have a highly skilled dedicated tank cruiser or Steamrunner, but again, PUGs.
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# 20
01-21-2013, 03:34 AM
What the others have been saying - do it in a Connie or Oberth - then you can call yourself 'Elite' (for what it's worth) - as for ground, leave your weapons behind and have your entire team hand-to-hand the Borg - that's an achievement.
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