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# 51
01-21-2013, 09:06 AM
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I don't think "dancing jester" is winning anyone to your side. I think it's funny you think it's even, like, a thing people say, but whatever.

Frankly I'm getting to be pretty ashamed that I'm still in this circle jerk of a "debate" with you. We should both be pretty embarrassed of ourselves here. To outside observers, neither one of us comes out of this thread looking like anything more than a foaming jackass. If/when a mod gets around to this thread, I can easily see it locked or even deleted at this point.

You really should take an objective look at your behavior here, though. I know it's the Internet, and when you're anonymous you can act however you want... but that doesn't mean you should.

And if you really, genuinely believe your behavior is acceptable and mine wasn't, then... wow. The way your mind spins is frightening, and I'd rather cut myself loose from your unfortunate madness.
I was wondering how long it would take for you to figure out how silly the both of us looked. But I am glad it only took one more post.

Yes, I am against the addition of more escorts. I am also against the addition of more cruisers. We have waaaay too bloody many of both. I am also against the addition of more science ships, since again, we have plenty of those too.

You never asked what it was I wanted, so I just held my peace in that department, but this is more for lasionos benefit than yours. You say I want the game to stagnate, and don't want more ships? That's not true. I do want more ships, but not any of the classic 3 types we already have. I personally would want to see more hybrids in the game, more warship and destroyer class ships. Ships like the Chel'gret. So you wanted my alternate ideas for advancement? Put in more destroyers/Warships. More hybrids. They do a great job, and give you more versatility for any given situation.
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# 52
01-21-2013, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by thratch1
I don't think "dancing jester" is winning anyone to your side. I think it's funny you think it's even, like, a thing people say, but whatever.

Frankly I'm getting to be pretty ashamed that I'm still in this circle jerk of a "debate" with you. We should both be pretty embarrassed of ourselves here. To outside observers, neither one of us comes out of this thread looking like anything more than a foaming jackass. If/when a mod gets around to this thread, I can easily see it locked or even deleted at this point.

You really should take an objective look at your behavior here, though. I know it's the Internet, and when you're anonymous you can act however you want... but that doesn't mean you should.

And if you really, genuinely believe your behavior is acceptable and mine wasn't, then... wow. The way your mind spins is frightening, and I'd rather cut myself loose from your unfortunate madness.
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I was wondering how long it would take for you to figure out how silly the both of us looked. But I am glad it only took one more post.

Yes, I am against the addition of more escorts. I am also against the addition of more cruisers. We have waaaay too bloody many of both. I am also against the addition of more science ships, since again, we have plenty of those too.

You never asked what it was I wanted, so I just held my peace in that department, but this is more for lasionos benefit than yours. You say I want the game to stagnate, and don't want more ships? That's not true. I do want more ships, but not any of the classic 3 types we already have. I personally would want to see more hybrids in the game, more warship and destroyer class ships. Ships like the Chel'gret. So you wanted my alternate ideas for advancement? Put in more destroyers/Warships. More hybrids. They do a great job, and give you more versatility for any given situation.
I'd have to agree with hereticknight. Diverse ships are needed in this game, and it looks like over the past year (with the exception of the Odyssey), most ships are becoming hybridized anyways. Although we do need a replacement to the "true" escorts, I don't believe that would help balance the PVP in this game, and I'm happy with the ship balancing we have right now.

Also, hereticknight was trying to continue his discussion about the escorts, while thratch, you're just looking for some attention, or to preserve your ego. Sorry to say, but that doesn't help you at all.

EDIT: Colour coded for spotting the differences.

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# 53
01-21-2013, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by stardestroyer001 View Post
I'd have to agree with hereticknight. Diverse ships are needed in this game, and it looks like over the past year (with the exception of the Odyssey), most ships are becoming hybridized anyways. Although we do need a replacement to the "true" escorts, I don't believe that would help balance the PVP in this game, and I'm happy with the ship balancing we have right now.

Also, hereticknight was trying to continue his discussion about the escorts, while thratch, you're just looking for some attention, or to preserve your ego. Sorry to say, but that doesn't help you at all.

EDIT: Colour coded for spotting the differences.
If you say so. I actually brought up Destroyers a while ago, while Heretic decided to act smug and insulting, and then called me a "dancing jester", at which point I decided it wasn't really... worth arguing with him anymore.

I can forgive you not actually reading all the posts, though! That was a lot of awful internet arguing. Heretic wasn't trying to continue the argument, he was actually changing his constantly.
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# 54
01-21-2013, 05:05 PM
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If you say so. I actually brought up Destroyers a while ago, while Heretic decided to act smug and insulting, and then called me a "dancing jester", at which point I decided it wasn't really... worth arguing with him anymore.

I can forgive you not actually reading all the posts, though! That was a lot of awful internet arguing. Heretic wasn't trying to continue the argument, he was actually changing his constantly.
In the post I created before this one, I specifically colour-coded the sections of both you and hereticknight's conversations. You continued to defend your position and rant about his derogatory comments, while hereticknight moved on and got back on track with his position about having hybrid ships. I suggest you move on as well.

And while I did not read each post in-depth (yes, it was a lot of reading, and a lot off-topic), I did in fact read both yours and hereticknight's arguments about "Moar Escorts!" and "No, we have enough Escorts". As with any argument, when people have empathy, they do realize a different viewpoint and adjust their stances on topics. You can't freeze his opinions; they are his own, and he can adapt them to the current situation as he sees fit. And it's not wrong to do so either; it's showing a bit of care for the other person.

ANYWAYS... This thread is for the Three Year Anniversary Ship, so let's get on with that, shall we? Anyone like/dislike the Ambassador?

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# 55
01-21-2013, 05:17 PM
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As with any argument, when people have empathy, they do realize a different viewpoint and adjust their stances on topics. You can't freeze his opinions; they are his own, and he can adapt them to the current situation as he sees fit. And it's not wrong to do so either; it's showing a bit of care for the other person.
I don't think "having empathy" includes calling the other person an "**hole" for having a different opinion.
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# 56
01-21-2013, 05:23 PM
lol dam it kittymomo... they are still arguing....

Hmm how long till one concedes and the talk resumes?

I personally like the idea of more ships, I wish there was more to do but it's sand box at end game and we have to entertain ourselves. More ships may not help that. There is no balance in this game. Escorts beat cruisers and sci ships beat everything, cruisers are just their looking and asking "Which way did he go George? Which way did he go" (If anyone gets this awesome refernce you get two kittymomo brigade stickers and shoiuld consider yourself awesome

Anyhow. I wouldn't mind if they stopped focusing on ships for a bit and started focusing on things for the community. like warring events, or something gooey like romance or something. Heck i wouldn't mind going to star fleet academy to attend a class or two, make it an event or something. Or to conquer a planet or to join the secret cultic section 13 or 31 or whatever the hell it is... those guys creep me out!

Anyhow if we get another ship i'm cool beans with it, if not then meh I like my PE anyway.

So let's resume the talk and leave the chair tossing and table flipping at home gentlemen, Meor!
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# 57
01-21-2013, 05:32 PM
Agreed, I'm moving on, and so is this thread.

The Ambassador. I'm disappointed that we're getting another cruiser, but delighted that we are getting another iconic Star Trek ship.

My only request is this:

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/...ert_design.jpg
Perhaps as a C-Store variant? If it's actually a competitive ship with the Odyssey, I'd buy that in the next ship sale.

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# 58
01-22-2013, 02:01 AM
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I don't play Klingon, these aren't the KDF forums (these are forums for Federation ships), sooo... while I support them getting more ships, beyond that I just don't care. I'm not going to spend any time thinking about Klingon ships, and it would probably be a waste anyway since KDF players apparently don't buy those C-Store ships. You are being rather condescending, sanctimonious, and downright rude here. And as stated before, LOTS of KDF players buy LOTS of C-store stuff. They are just so badly outnumbered by the feds, that their purchases (many of which buy large amounts of c-store items for multiple KDF toons) are almost unnoticeable.
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I know you aren't intentionally being an ***hole, but you come across as one with that last post. Note: I did not call you an ***hole here. I simply said you came across as one. There is a difference.
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I don't think "having empathy" includes calling the other person an "**hole" for having a different opinion. As you can see, your ENTIRE argument is null simply because for starters, I never called you one, and it wasn't in reference to your biased view towards escorts, it was in reference towards your outright dismissal of the KDF.
Quotes from posts. You were being rude and condescending towards this part of the game, and I responded in kind. So sorry to say that you started it, and I was simply going along, since I figured that would be the best approach to getting through to you. Case and point. Prosecution rests.
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# 59
01-22-2013, 02:18 AM
I want the ambassador!
And I want him badly! *w*
I hope it will be a tier V vessel.
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# 60
01-22-2013, 06:08 AM
Well, as I said before, I'd like to see the Probert design as a possible variant.

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