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# 161
01-22-2013, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by momaw View Post
Brandon, you need to help your higher ups see how retarded this situation is.


Store ship that can be played all characters on an account: 2500 zen

Lobi store ship that can be played by one single character: 800 lobi = ~100 boxes = 11250 zen

Attack ship that is no longer available by any means except buying on the exchange, for one single character, 350 million EC/1.4 million per key sold = 250 keys = 28125 zen


Seriously bro.
What kind of grass are you smoking?? As per the wiki - The Temporal lock-box had avg of 5.5 lobi per box and 182/1 odds on the top prize

800/5.5 = 146 keys or 14.6x1125zen = 16,370 Zen for the Lobi Ship

182/10 = 18.2x1125 zen = 20,470 zen for the Top prize(which would include the 800 lobi for the other ship)

Therefore you can get both ships for ONLY a max avg of 20k zen or $200 US dollars per character!
Lt. Commander
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# 162
01-22-2013, 05:26 PM
Where is my Mirror Exeter?
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# 163
01-22-2013, 05:26 PM
I tend to agree on the point you will need to be a prior owner of a Attack Ship (Bug) to claim the chance to launch Attack Ships from your Dommy Dreddy. I hope this feature will be opened to all at a later date.
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# 164
01-22-2013, 05:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rustiswordz View Post
I tend to agree on the point you will need to be a prior owner of a Attack Ship (Bug) to claim the chance to launch Attack Ships from your Dommy Dreddy. I hope this feature will be opened to all at a later date.
Doubtful being that they never did that with the Galor and its weapons.

Pretty sure the JHAS will come back in a doff pack or something, and if players don't want to wait there is always the exchange for a lot of EC.


Career Officer
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Posts: 190
# 165
01-22-2013, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tenkari View Post
well, if the Patrol Escort is the reskinned Advanced escort, then yes it should.
not necessarily....the mirror sovereign can't fit the metreon gas canister that the normal sovereign/regent can
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# 166
01-22-2013, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by shpoks View Post
Well, the point is for lockbox/lobi ships to be very very rare. Therefore the average cost you calculated.
There is no limited supply of lobi store ships. Therefore, they are not rare, merely exorbitantly expensive.

And for the bug ship? Fine, it's "supposed to be" rare. What possible sense then does it make to build new content for something that only a tiny fraction of your players can actually use. If there is supposed to be some kind of factional continuity, then why aren't there bug-level factional ships and fancy new factional features being added? The only the thing the Federation and KDF are getting from this update are some ugly yellow skins and ridiculously one-sided console trades.

Last edited by momaw; 01-22-2013 at 05:35 PM.
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# 167
01-22-2013, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by momaw View Post
What possible sense then does it make to build new content for something that only a tiny fraction of your players can actually use.
Exactly.

Also I have to say every time I read a post going "we have a small team and cannot do this because we are small" I have to wonder ... OK, no interiors because you are too small BUT every two-three month we get a new bridge interior ... for a privileged few.
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# 168
01-22-2013, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by darkenzedd View Post
Nope, thats just a bs excuse they keep throwing around to justify ships costing $300. It is nothing to do with them being very very rare.
If that were the case, the Breen ship would never had been made available to everyone for free!
You didn't understand me. I'm not justyfing Cryptic's price over these items for their reasons. I'm justyfing this from mine own reasons. To me it's plainly stupid the bulk of Starfleet and The Klingon Defense Force to be consisted of alien ships.
As I have stated before and will once again - the free Breen ship for me was ultimate fail because of this, and if they wanted to give something free it should have been faction alike.
Now it loks like the Breen fleet is undergoing an invasion on Earth once again.

Therefore, if a player is so eager to have & use these non-faction ships, he/she should be prepared to cash in or grind like hell to obtain it. By no circumistance should it be easy obtainable like bying a Galaxy-X or such. Just my view from mine own perspective. I couldn't care less how Cryptic justifies the pricing, for my own reasons I agree with their policy on this one.
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Ensign
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 169
01-22-2013, 05:38 PM
To repeat some previous posts, I think it is kinda overkill that STO is making every faction's ship available widely to Fed/Kling factions. Honestly, I think that we should see these other factions (rom, dom, card, ferengi, etc.) made available to play... Then again, this request has been made since day 1 of STO, pretty much, and still seems to be pacified by releasing these "substitutes".

I say that PW needs to hit the nail on the head and move forward by making more playable factions rather than merely releasing their ships to... Starfleet... and The Klingon Empire... after all, I believe that a true klingon would much rather fly a bird of prey or a negh var than a dominion ship... respectively the same for a starfleet officer.
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# 170
01-22-2013, 05:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by momaw View Post
Brandon, you need to help your higher ups see how retarded this situation is.


Store ship that can be played all characters on an account: 2500 zen

Lobi store ship that can be played by one single character: 800 lobi = ~100 boxes = 11250 zen

Attack ship that is no longer available by any means except buying on the exchange, for one single character, 350 million EC/1.4 million per key sold = 250 keys = 28125 zen


Seriously bro.
Problem is, this is exactly what the sales and marketing teams want, mo money!

Store ship that can be played all characters on an account: $25.00

Lobi store ship that can be played by one single character: 800 lobi = ~100 boxes = $112.50

Attack ship that is no longer available by any means except buying on the exchange, for one single character, 350 million EC/1.4 million per key sold = 250 keys = $281.25

Sad fact is, the lock box economy generates a LOT of money for cryptic.

Educated veterans know ways to minimise the cost of acquiring lock box / lobi items (EC farming, dilithium farming, playing the dilithium exchange, buying keys with zen from dil exchange etc.), the problem is, the great masses don't know these things and buy keys with their own money in the slim hopes of getting the ship in the box or slowly building up the lobi.

The reason the dilithium exchange is in the state its in at present, is because the masses are buying zen to fund their dilithium needs. Cryptic doesn't make any money if you earn dilithium, they do make money though when someone buys zen. The more people, getting less dilithium per zen they trade, the more zen they need to buy, the more money cryptic makes.
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