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# 21
01-23-2013, 01:13 PM
Can we get a Dev comment on size of the Dread? You mention in the Blog that it is the one encountered by defiant class - U.S.S. Valiant.

Well there is over 5 min of footage where it is clear the Defiant is 1/20 the size of this ship!

What will the scale be like in the game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIcMg9PxcSY

You will also notice that the Valiant is destroyed by CANNON fire from the dread.
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# 22
01-23-2013, 01:16 PM
I don't really see what all the fuss is about.

The JH HEC has an interesting BOFF layout, but its more a battle cruiser in turn and hull than it is an escort. In which case a battle cruiser typically has 4 rear weapons.

So it lacks the weapons load of a battle cruiser and lacks the turn of an escort.

The BOFF layout at least will lend itself to some nice A2B usage.


The Dread, I don't know what people are salivating about, it has more Tac stations than a ship with a turn rate of 6 can realistically use.

It won't be a good healer, and it won't be a really good tank.

So it's a slow turning, poor maneuverability, tac ship with pets.

It doesn't have the 8 weapon slots of a true dreadnought, it doesn't have any of the sci/engineering of a carrier, it doesn't have the unique double Ltc carrier boff layout, and it lacks maneuverability to make using narrow arc weapons anything more than a chore in PvE and a joke in PvP.

We're not even sure if it can use Dual Cannons yet, it probably will, if I really want to use DC/DHCs I'll do it on a ship that won't induce thumb sprain to turn all the time.

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# 23
01-23-2013, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by tehjonel View Post
am i the only one that thinks the mirror universe patrol escort is the "best" ship in this lockbox? it's a patrol escort that can use the mvae console.
It's a fairly modest difference if you compare to the standard Advanced Escort. It loses one turnrate from the Patrol Escort.

I think the Mirror ships resist becoming boring as anything other than a hull texture at this point.

My preference there would be:

- Lower all MU ships Shield modifier by 0.1 and give them all +5 Weapon Power and +2 turnrate on top of whatever they already have. It's not really more powerful but it is enough to make them interesting. (The one MU game out there was an Excelsior on a rail shooter so the maneuverability argument is there.)

- Introduce some weapons/consoles that can be equipped on any MU ship but can only be used on MU ships for Lobi. I can see tons of thematic potential here. Imagine an Agony Booth console. Consumes 5% of your crew and 5 aux power per second for up to 20 seconds, increasing crit chance by 5% and severity by 10% (stacking up to 20 times). Clears only when your aux power is exhausted or you successfully kill a target. After which your ship's subsystems are all disabled for 5 seconds but you recover crew quickly.
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# 24
01-23-2013, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tehjonel View Post
am i the only one that thinks the mirror universe patrol escort is the "best" ship in this lockbox? it's a patrol escort that can use the mvae console.

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Nope, saw it too. thought about opening boxes too (for about a half second) then realized I never play with my fed guy.
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# 25
01-23-2013, 01:27 PM
I must have both of these Jem'Hadar vessels.
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Reading the post, to use Jem Attack Ship pets will require an unpacked JAS. Is that on the same character or in my account? I think it is the former since it is unlikely the system is set up to identify all lockbox ships on my account (especially since those are character bound).

I find that troubling since that means I have to use a carrier on my tac character with the JAS. I planned on using either an Engy or Sci character for the big Jem carrier.
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# 27
01-23-2013, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
I can use DHC on Voquv with no problem, so am excited about this new one with a much better console and boff layout.

It doesn't look like the Jemhadar dreadnought can use DHC. If so I won't want to use it, no need for Cmdr and Lt tac stations just to use beams.

BOff layout for Jemhadar heavy escort looks like it won't work for me at all either. Maybe if that ensign sci station was tactical or universal and the lt station was sci I might be interested.
Single Cannons are still an option.
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# 28
01-23-2013, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sentinel64 View Post
Reading the post, to use Jem Attack Ship pets will require an unpacked JAS. Is that on the same character or in my account? I think it is the former since it is unlikely the system is set up to identify all lockbox ships on my account (especially since those are character bound).

Honestly if you have an unpacked JHAS you are using on a character there is no reason outside of simply wanting variety for its own sake to ever climb out of the JHAS for either of these ships. Pets or no pets.

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# 29
01-23-2013, 01:45 PM
Looking forward to information on the upgrade pack ... dusting off my Bug ship

Also ... it would be nice to see some Fed and Klink lock box ships. Feels like we are becoming the "Alien Trash of a Galaxy" with all these exotic ships.
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# 30
01-23-2013, 01:49 PM
With a chance to have Jem'Hadar fighter ships for people who have the attack ship. Is there going to be a re-release of the Jem'Hadar Attack ship?
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