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# 31
01-24-2013, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by dma1986 View Post
Trash consoles or not, lowbie ships or not, this is the first exchange where the KDF item has had a lower ship Zen-cost than the Fed.
Thing is, it's not just about Z cost - though Z cost does come into it.

Look at the EC cost on the Exchange for Theta.
Look at the EC cost on the Exchange for AMS.

Both share the same Z cost...but they have wildly different EC costs on the Exchange.
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# 32
01-24-2013, 08:16 AM
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Trash consoles or not, lowbie ships or not, this is the first exchange where the KDF item has had a lower ship Zen-cost than the Fed.
And how it is a fed player faults ? Last time I checked, the price tags are made up by Cryptic.
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# 33
01-24-2013, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post
That's just laziness on Cryptic's part. All they needed to do was change the flavor text.

The Bio-neural warhead doesn't even come from any Klingon source in canon so I don't even believe it makes sense for Klingons as they were presented in the shows.

It's only this game where the KDF has been made into some bizarre evil monster race where things like the Bio-neural warhead and plasmonic leech suddenly make sense (although some factions of Klingon houses in the shows/movies seem ready to stoop to the level of using weapons like this, it never seemed like that was a universal trait across all Klingons)








You can't have both, either you are getting the short end of the stick and trading your awesome consoles for the relatively crappier Fed consoles or you are not losing anything because apparently KDF doesn't have better toy consoles (paraphrasing what other posters sometimes say).

So which is it? Does the KDF have clearly better toy consoles that they are "losing" or do they not?


right now both sides got good consoles in the box trades but from now on feds could get great consoles while kdf will get what i understand are crap consoles by most players. kdf should have better(not op) stuff since they have less to use it on
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# 34
01-24-2013, 08:35 AM
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kdf should have better(not op) stuff since they have less to use it on
It should never be quantity vs. quality in this regard, since you can only fly one ship at a time. It should be quality vs. quality...taking into account the quality of the ships that it can be put on.
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# 35
01-24-2013, 08:48 AM
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It should never be quantity vs. quality in this regard, since you can only fly one ship at a time. It should be quality vs. quality...taking into account the quality of the ships that it can be put on.
tru enough i suppose but my point still stands that kdf can only lose out on more box trades and they have enough issues with ship versatility given the lower amount of ships to choose from. if they want to do more trades they should made the consoles ship class specific like at first.



i have no disire to see more pol wep leach power suck builds there is too many escorts with that in game as is

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# 36
01-24-2013, 10:09 AM
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I've always said it was a balancing thing, a rationalization of sorts if one will... the KDF got the better consoles because the Feds got the better ships.
I really don't think the dev team had that clear of an idea or a concept of how these consoles realistically affect balance.
would be Better than the Worse Console on the Better Ship.



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right now both sides got good consoles in the box trades but from now on feds could get great consoles while kdf will get what i understand are crap consoles by most players. kdf should have better(not op) stuff since they have less to use it on

Right and again, Feds have had a ton of useless crap consoles from the start.

I don't think KDF should have better consoles because they have less ships, that's just a terrible way to balance things.


Do I want to see more KDF ships? Yes of course!

Unfortunately the dev team seems unwilling to risk losing money again on brand new ships, so what the KDF has been getting instead are:

> Completely equal cross-faction lockbox ships (which are also, by and large, the most powerful)

> Fleet versions of lower tier ships (they don't require new artwork, which is the big expense and is where Cryptic has most likely lost money on something like the Bortasqu pack).

> Mirror Ships with better or different boff layouts than original counterpart (again, requires no new art assets).


This is the unfortunate situation until Crytpic decides to set their minds to making the KDF profitable somehow.



And before anyone complains about the lockbox ships, most Fed players want to play Fed ships too - but unfortunately the best stats are almost all going into lockboxes. This is an issue for both sides.



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i have no disire to see more pol wep leach power suck builds there is too many escorts with that in game as is

Well, we agree on this at least.



On the other hand, how fair is it now to face KDF ships that have both the MACO shield AND Plasmonic Leech?


The best thing to happen will be Plas Leech being ported to Fed side and then summarily nerfed. The gain is just way out of control, before you even consider that this drains others, for what it takes to slot this.


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# 37
01-24-2013, 10:10 AM
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# 38
01-24-2013, 10:35 AM
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I really don't think the dev team had that clear of an idea or a concept of how these consoles realistically affect balance.
would be Better than the Worse Console on the Better Ship.






Right and again, Feds have had a ton of useless crap consoles from the start.

I don't think KDF should have better consoles because they have less ships, that's just a terrible way to balance things.


Do I want to see more KDF ships? Yes of course!

Unfortunately the dev team seems unwilling to risk losing money again on brand new ships, so what the KDF has been getting instead are:

> Completely equal cross-faction lockbox ships (which are also, by and large, the most powerful)

> Fleet versions of lower tier ships (they don't require new artwork, which is the big expense and is where Cryptic has most likely lost money on something like the Bortasqu pack).

> Mirror Ships with better or different boff layouts than original counterpart (again, requires no new art assets).


This is the unfortunate situation until Crytpic decides to set their minds to making the KDF profitable somehow.



And before anyone complains about the lockbox ships, most Fed players want to play Fed ships too - but unfortunately the best stats are almost all going into lockboxes. This is an issue for both sides.






Well, we agree on this at least.



On the other hand, how fair is it now to face KDF ships that have both the MACO shield AND Plasmonic Leech?


The best thing to happen will be Plas Leech being ported to Fed side and then summarily nerfed. The gain is just way out of control, before you even consider that this drains others, for what it takes to slot this.
on the plus side fed got khg the highest cap shield in the game wich can mean tanker ships in general. sharing the space sets worked out well for both over all. in my opinion the leach should never mad it in game or at least never gone onto a escort where the biggest prob is
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This has been Cryptic s track record favor the Federation side all the time. Down play the Klingon's.

If your just getting the feeling of how this is. This has been their attitude since the release of the game. Fact they never intended to have a second playable faction until the beta testers were begging for the second faction to be playable Klingon's. Secondly the original Chief executive producer favored Federation because his boy hood idol was Captain Jean Luc Picard. Fact he made sure that the Klingon's were never allowed in the Sol sector even though in the movies the Klingon's ventured into the Sol sector. Which makes you wonder considering there were a Klingon Ambassador on Earth. In my opinion I would have questions like how did the Klingon ambassador get to earth if Klingon's are never allowed to enter Sol sector???

Daniel Stahl has been making every effort to try to get the Klingon's caught up but unfortunately he has his hands tide by Cryptic.

And the fact the Original Executive producer that stepped down was brought back to control the financial and resources of the game and refuses to allocate resources to get the Klingon's caught up to the federation. Once again he favors the Federation over the Klingon's. In fact he has purposely slowed any progress of getting the second faction to be developed further by only allocating small amounts of funds and resources. Again favoring the Federation. So if anything thats who you should be complaining about and not Daniel Stahl. Daniel Stahl still doing his best to try to get the Klingon's caught up.

I am sure Cryptic has lost sight of the potential that the game they created would fare way better if they balanced the game by getting the Klingon's caught up with new Klingon content and new Klingon ships. If Cryptic didn't know this but there is a lot more Klingon star trek fans out there in the world than they think. Proof positive they made Klingon language an official language recognized by today's society of languages.

I know for a fact if Cryptic balanced the number of ships between the two factions and the content this game would soar like an unstoppable financial rocket. They would make millions even though its free to play it would still be a gold mine. They would make money hand over fist in the C-store. Then players would be more apt to spend money in the c-store to get new items on both sides.

I can only hope Cryptic would wake up and see the future that this game could set them up for life financially if the balanced the factions.

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# 40
01-24-2013, 11:10 AM
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I know for a fact if Cryptic balanced the number of ships between the two factions and the content this game would soar like an unstoppable financial rocket. They would make millions even though its free to play it would still be a gold mine. They would make money hand over fist in the C-store. Then players would be more apt to spend money in the c-store to get new items on both sides.
The problem with that is Cryptic is strangled by CBS's IP rights.They need to get out from under CBS's umbrella and sub-license directly from FASA and/or ADB to get those EU ships that other games have used because 'canon' simply doesn't favor anyone but the feddies.
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