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# 91
01-24-2013, 05:42 AM
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And still you post no evidence here to support your claims, and without that, as far as I can tell they are merely your opinion. Even agreeing with you on a point doesn't seem to work.

And I've lost interest in the conversation.

Back to the B.



Oh she was famous no doubt. In universe and out.

But does famous = flagship? There has to be other ships with equally illustrious records right?
Would you send a vessel other than your Flagship to meet the Chancellor of the Klingon Empire? The E was not only the most advanced ship in the fleet at the time of her commissioning, she was also the ship used for important diplomatic missions and meetings. That is evident that she too, was a flagship. As for the F, she was rushed into service for the battle to retake DS9. They mentioned during the anniversary event that the F was not fully spaceworthy at the time. When you are fighting a fleet of 2800 Dominion warships, you are going to need the most advanced and most powerful ships at your disposal and the new Flagship certainly fits that description. She was also the first "modern" Odyssey class ship with an Aquarius class escort and detachable saucer section. While destroying the 2800 Dominion warships, the F sustained heavy damage and had to put in at spacedock for weeks. It makes sense that you would rarely see her. Besides, she's the Federation flagship. She must have more important things to do than to babysit the player.
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# 92
01-24-2013, 05:46 AM
[quote=grylak;7618121]Well, you know, that was made a bit before the series Enterprise started. And I think I did read somewhere there is a special edition that may have put the NX in there (not sure on that).

The NX-01 is considered Cannon in STO. She is included in the list of ships named Enterprise in the Starbase lobby.
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# 93
01-24-2013, 05:56 AM
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Would you send a vessel other than your Flagship to meet the Chancellor of the Klingon Empire? The E was not only the most advanced ship in the fleet at the time of her commissioning, she was also the ship used for important diplomatic missions and meetings. That is evident that she too, was a flagship. As for the F, she was rushed into service for the battle to retake DS9. They mentioned during the anniversary event that the F was not fully spaceworthy at the time. When you are fighting a fleet of 2800 Dominion warships, you are going to need the most advanced and most powerful ships at your disposal and the new Flagship certainly fits that description. She was also the first "modern" Odyssey class ship with an Aquarius class escort and detachable saucer section. While destroying the 2800 Dominion warships, the F sustained heavy damage and had to put in at spacedock for weeks. It makes sense that you would rarely see her. Besides, she's the Federation flagship. She must have more important things to do than to babysit the player.
Trust me, I believe in my own "head-canon" that the Enterprise has always been the Flagship going back to the NX-01, it makes sense, especially with the points you just made. My only point is that the word "flagship" was only ever used on screen to describe two ships, the D and the JJprise. And there are a lot of gaps between Enterprises where there was either no flagship or another ship was it.
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# 94
01-24-2013, 07:33 AM
I suppose it all comes down to which meaning of flagship you go by, star trek uses a strange ( to me ) way of identifying its flagships , seeing as in Naval terms any ship commanded by an admiral becomes a flagship.

While its mentioned many times in TNG that the Enterprise is the flagship of the fleet , it isnt the ONLY flagship , the term seems to float around a lot , with some ships being designated as flagships due to having an admiral on-board , while others leaders of a particular battle group ( Defiant )


As far as Enterprise is concerned the practice began likely with the 1701-A , being the first Enterprise to be commanded by an Admiral and it became tradition
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I suppose it all comes down to which meaning of flagship you go by, star trek uses a strange ( to me ) way of identifying its flagships , seeing as in Naval terms any ship commanded by an admiral becomes a flagship.

While its mentioned many times in TNG that the Enterprise is the flagship of the fleet , it isnt the ONLY flagship , the term seems to float around a lot , with some ships being designated as flagships due to having an admiral on-board , while others leaders of a particular battle group ( Defiant )


As far as Enterprise is concerned the practice began likely with the 1701-A , being the first Enterprise to be commanded by an Admiral and it became tradition
No, the 1701 was the first to be commanded by an Admiral. TMP, command was taken away from Deker and given to Kirk for a special mission. Kirk was demoted before given command of the 1701-A.
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01-24-2013, 12:31 PM
I found this video whilst looking for information on Connie's. It is pretty neat and worth the watch - now can I have a Tier 5 Fleet Connie please?! lol

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# 97
01-24-2013, 01:15 PM
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I suppose it all comes down to which meaning of flagship you go by, star trek uses a strange ( to me ) way of identifying its flagships , seeing as in Naval terms any ship commanded by an admiral becomes a flagship.

While its mentioned many times in TNG that the Enterprise is the flagship of the fleet , it isnt the ONLY flagship , the term seems to float around a lot , with some ships being designated as flagships due to having an admiral on-board , while others leaders of a particular battle group ( Defiant )
Was kinda thinking about that as well earlier. I'm by no means a naval expert, but just in looking up stuff, it seems like Earth navies have not traditionally had just one flagship, but essentially you have your fleet broken up into task forces (sometimes called fleets) with one flagship per task force - the ship from which the flag officer commands the task force. But then again the Creators only loosely based Starfleet on terrestrial navies, so the "rules" may be different.
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# 98
01-24-2013, 03:40 PM
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No, the 1701 was the first to be commanded by an Admiral. TMP, command was taken away from Deker and given to Kirk for a special mission. Kirk was demoted before given command of the 1701-A.
yeah i had a brain fart , meant the refit not 1701-A
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# 99
01-24-2013, 03:55 PM
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Was kinda thinking about that as well earlier. I'm by no means a naval expert, but just in looking up stuff, it seems like Earth navies have not traditionally had just one flagship, but essentially you have your fleet broken up into task forces (sometimes called fleets) with one flagship per task force - the ship from which the flag officer commands the task force. But then again the Creators only loosely based Starfleet on terrestrial navies, so the "rules" may be different.
Flagship has two connotations. One is like you mention the ship the flag officer of a fleet has his command on. The other is that of being the most important of a group. The USS Enteprise NCC-1701 is that for the Federation. It's the best ship, the best captain and best and brightness of Starfleet that can muster as her crew.
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# 100
01-24-2013, 04:41 PM
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Trust me, I believe in my own "head-canon" that the Enterprise has always been the Flagship going back to the NX-01, it makes sense, especially with the points you just made. My only point is that the word "flagship" was only ever used on screen to describe two ships, the D and the JJprise. And there are a lot of gaps between Enterprises where there was either no flagship or another ship was it.
You are not a Trek fan or you would know that anything done when Gene was alive and creator/producer is canon.That ship is not canon and nither is that show.

This is why JJs Star Trek is not canon

I said what I said about the earning and I know I ma right if you debated with me again without me looking at my last post.You sure don't know much about the franchise or what went on.There are Starfleet Battle fans who aren't hard core fans of the shows that know more than you.

I can't prove the evidence because it is in print not on the net.Not eveything is on the net you know.

btw to all the Enterprise is not the flagship just one of the Stars as Gene didn't want it that way.it is like the General Lee of the Dukes of Hazard.
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