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# 1 Why no cruiser refit?
01-28-2013, 09:53 AM
AgrI'm a lifer who hasn't played in over a year. When I stopped playing one of the things I was dissapointed about was that some of my favorite ships were obsolete at max level. Now that I've started playing again I notice that almost all ships now have VA refits available, however one of the few that is not available is the basic cruiser, why is that? Now I'm not saying they should make the constitution refit usable at VA because, honostly, it would be unrealistic at best given its age. But if excort users can get a sabre refit and science can get a nova refit, why can't cruiser VAs get a refit version of the beautiful Excalibur, with connie parts removed from customization options?

Edit: corrected name of lowbie science class

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# 2
01-28-2013, 09:54 AM
Because it pulls from canon. Saber class and Nova class ships are still used in the Dominion War "modern" timeframe. The Constitution class has been retired since the 22-somethings.

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# 3
01-28-2013, 09:57 AM
Umm, not to be rude, but did you even read what I said? I said remove the constitution parts, for the exact same reason you stated.
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# 4
01-28-2013, 10:34 AM
If there ever was a Fleet Cruiser Refit then it should be of the Exeter class, not the Excalibur. A Fleet Cruiser Retrofit would be an Excalibur though. And it is kind of the odd one out, because it was replaced by the Heavy Cruiser (Cheyenne) Retrofit and Fleet Heavy Cruiser Retrofit, T5 versions of a T3 cruiser, whereas the equivalent tac and sci ships are T5 versions of the T2 escort and science ship.
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# 5
01-28-2013, 10:41 AM
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Umm, not to be rude, but did you even read what I said? I said remove the constitution parts, for the exact same reason you stated.
Yes I did, as a matter of fact (it was the first post, after all ). The Constitution/Exeter/Excalibur parts are variants of the Constitution hull, which is a design that has been retired. Would the U.S.S. Venture (Galaxy-class) be a different ship type than the regular Galaxy-class? No, it's just a variant. Same deal here.

As much as I would like to fly a Fleet NX-class Variant, it wouldn't be feasible. Certain ship types are simply too old and shouldn't still be in use. Otherwise, I'd fly a Fleet Advanced Space Shuttle!

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# 6
01-28-2013, 10:48 AM
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Because it pulls from canon. Saber class and Nova class ships are still used in the Dominion War "modern" timeframe. The Constitution class has been retired since the 22-somethings.
if you go by that logic, the Soverign should be 'retired' by now as well, since it first appeared in 1996 in the film 'First Contact' - yet in the 3+ Seasons of DS9 and VOY after that - we NEVER saw another Soverign onscreen. Thus hey, since they obviously weren't shown as frontline ships in the Dominion war period; or going on long range searches for teh U.S.S. Voyager -- they too, must have been retired (based on on-screen canon evidence) ...oh, wait..

[ Yes, the real reason was they didn't want TV audiences thinking a Soverign onscreen meant 'The Enterprise' and a TNG cast guest shot -- but again screen absence doesn't always equal 'decommissioned' in canon.]

The real reason we have no T5/Fleet variant of a Constitution like; or Constitution Class inspired design in STO:

Per the Devs and Dstahl (who've been asked this a number of times) - the reason is:

"CBS said: 'No.'"

(It's an answer a lot of us TOS fans don't like, but in the end, CBS controls the IP and has final say.)
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# 7
01-28-2013, 10:55 AM
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if you go by that logic, the Sovereign should be 'retired' by now as well, since it first appeared in 1996 in the film 'First Contact' - yet in the 3+ Seasons of DS9 and VOY after that - we NEVER saw another Sovereign onscreen. Thus hey, since they obviously weren't shown as frontline ships in the Dominion war period; or going on long range searches for teh U.S.S. Voyager -- they too, must have been retired (based on on-screen canon evidence) ...oh, wait..

[ Yes, the real reason was they didn't want TV audiences thinking a Sovereign onscreen meant 'The Enterprise' and a TNG cast guest shot -- but again screen absence doesn't always equal 'decommissioned' in canon.]

The real reason we have no T5/Fleet variant of a Constitution like; or Constitution Class inspired design in STO:

Per the Devs and Dstahl (who've been asked this a number of times) - the reason is:

"CBS said: 'No.'"

(It's an answer a lot of us TOS fans don't like, but in the end, CBS controls the IP and has final say.)
I'd agree with everything said here. Sovereigns aren't retired because they're just too new - same as the Galaxy, Ambassador, Excelsior, Miranda...

And agreed, CBS's decision is the final say. So, to the first poster, sorry.

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# 8
01-28-2013, 11:10 AM
Well, I don't understand the decision, but I'll have to take it. But as to your prior statement, per the info that was posted on the website prior to release of STO, the excalibur is not a variant of the constitution, but rather a new ship built post-dominion war using the same profile as the constitution.
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# 9
01-28-2013, 11:14 AM
dont forget that there was a constitution at wolf 359, it's saucer was completely destroyed also half the neck was missing. we can see the engineering section clearly.

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/...wreckage_4.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/...wreckage_3.jpg
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# 10
01-28-2013, 11:17 AM
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dont forget that there was a constitution at wolf 359, it's saucer was completely destroyed also half the neck was missing. we can see the engineering section clearly.

http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/...wreckage_4.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/...wreckage_3.jpg
Hey, I never noticed it before, but there's a Galaxy-class nacelle in the second picture. Cool.

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