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# 11
01-28-2013, 11:24 PM
Nebula is also obsolete. As some of the tholian ships (orb)? and vestas have "same layout" but superior stats/bonuses otherwise.
Ensign
Join Date: Jan 2013
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# 12
01-29-2013, 02:20 AM
I've been away for a while, so I've lost total track of where ships are in the pecking order. I'm currently in an Advanced Research Vessel Retro-fit, is this obsolete?

I played a pvp games and barely any damage with it, although I'm more tuned for disabling systems, leeching enemy power and tanking. I only killed one ship but I also only died once to, and my healing was up there a long with the rest of the fleet numbers at least.

I'm also an Engineering captain in this ship, and was wondering whether the federation from the c-store was useful and worth getting?

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Career Officer
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# 13
01-29-2013, 02:51 AM
Perhaps it would be easier to list the ships that are *not* obsolete?

Vesta
Odyssey
Armitage
Multi-Vector/Advanced Escort
possibly Assault Cruiser Refit (no experience)
possibly Chimera Heavy Destroyer (no experience)

+ Lock-box/Lobi/Fleet ships
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 14
01-29-2013, 03:40 AM
Any ship that has less than 10 consoles is considered obsolete.
Even the Vet reward Chimera is obsolete.

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# 15
01-29-2013, 03:42 AM
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I'm also an Engineering captain in this ship, and was wondering whether the federation from the c-store was useful and worth getting?
Unless you get into serious OPvP games, then it does not really matter what ship you are flying. In PUGs everything works. I fly DSSV as my main PvP ship for sci character and she's kicking in the guts anyone stupid enough to look nasty in her direction

OPvP is a bit different as people there tend to take the PvP a "bit" more seriously then average PUGer (who is more often then only seeking some fun, or AFK for dilit) and then every bit of advantage you can get matters.

If you are PUGer or doing casual PvP with some friends (and if you are asking such questions I assume you are) and are not really into all this OPvP business - do not worry. Nebula is fine ship.

For PvE it matter even less. You can do anything outside ESTFs (and I would not be sure about this) in a shuttle. Compared to this free ship is sooo OP Yeah, you can argue about getting one console more and a second or two less in some run, but then does it really matters?

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Ensign
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# 16
01-29-2013, 04:50 AM
I got the armitage, swapped all my consoles and weapons over which were tier X modules and purple. I redid my spec adding a lot more tactical ability in with some added defence but I still did a full one or two less digits in damage than everyone above me.

When I asked those in my arena at the end what I was doing wrong and tried to explain to them, all I got was "the suck factor may be relevant".
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# 17 Tier Specific STFs
01-29-2013, 05:23 AM
Make lower tier ships viable again with a tier specific VA STF.
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# 18
01-29-2013, 10:53 AM
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I got the armitage, swapped all my consoles and weapons over which were tier X modules and purple. I redid my spec adding a lot more tactical ability in with some added defence but I still did a full one or two less digits in damage than everyone above me.

When I asked those in my arena at the end what I was doing wrong and tried to explain to them, all I got was "the suck factor may be relevant".
Kills are as important as raw damage (if not more). Remember also that you never do damage if you don't hit, so the (acc) is IMPORTANT in PvP, moreso than DMG most of the time-a single cannon what hits the target consistently will do a HELL of a lot more damage than a Dual Heavy that you can't bring to bear, or which misses the target more frequently.

Then you should move to looking at your Toon and asking some hard questions:

1. "can I structure this better for the build I want to use?" If your build's heavy on the Projectile weps, you probably don't really need more than a few points in Energy Weapons Specialization, if it's an energy-boat build, you don't need much in Projectile.

2. "am I making use of the procs?" Polarons/Tetryons are drain weapons, you should be well=specced in FLow Capacitors to get best use of their unique proc abilities. Do a little diggin' in the Wiki, or ask what captain abilities work best for the energy type weapons you're using if you're using any.

3. "What's my basic defensive strategy?" If you're speed-tanking (as many escort and/or BoP players do) you need to have excellent stats in those abilities related to ship's power, engine power, and manuevering. If you Shield tank you should have a focus on shield gennies, Hull tanking means you need to spend a majority of your skill points on self-repair abilities and armor resists.

at Toon generation, did you just go with the stock template, or did you customize? did you take Accurate and Elusive when you customized? Accurate's worth another Tactical console by itself, Elusive is a damned good trait to have defensively, both are pretty much considered by the majority of PvP'ers to be of high importance.
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# 19
01-29-2013, 11:43 AM
All Cruisers and Carriers are obsoleted by the Tholian Recluse in the role of healer.

All Escorts/Raptors are obsoleted by the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship in the role of main damage dealer.

All Science Ships are obsoleted by the Wells/Korrath in the role of primary debuffer.
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# 20
01-29-2013, 11:58 AM
Thanks for everyone's feed back. I agree with everyone of you. I really need to get that Steam Boat based on the comments. Does that ship have 4 or 5 Tac slots? if not why would it be better then the Fleet MVE?
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