Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 21
01-29-2013, 12:58 PM
It only has 4 tac consoles, but dual Lt eng slots open up all kinds of options, and it also has slightly stronger hull and shields. That said, the Fleet Advanced Escort is also an excellent ship. It's sort of Fleet Defiant for pure DPS, Fleet Advanced Escort for DPS/CC, and Steamrunner for DPS/Tank.
Ensign
Join Date: Dec 2012
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# 22
01-29-2013, 01:05 PM
The Vulcan D'kyr needs a fleet refit along with the Atrox.
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 23
01-29-2013, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by petaluma1 View Post
Does that ship have 4 or 5 Tac slots? if not why would it be better then the Fleet MVE?
4 Tact, console layout is 4/4/2 as its exactly the same as the Fleet Patrol Escort or better.

Its better because it have superior tanking ability over the Fleet Advanced Escort and if you want a 5 Tac ship you better off with the Fleet Defiant anyway.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 233
# 24
01-29-2013, 11:41 PM
Truthfully, no ship is obsolete, its the players that make it obsolete. I am still flying a Long Range Science Retrofit because I refuse to switch to the Vesta just for a few extras and plus I really hate that ship anyway. But I do fine in PvP, people who fly the lockbox ships, bugs, timeships etc... I just ignore them because if they are that desperate to win at a free game, its probably more embarrassing for them then it is for you.

Keep in mind that you are not as sad as them and keep on trucking, for fun and adventure
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# 25
01-30-2013, 08:19 AM
Amen Warbird ! and I think that said it all....
Lt. Commander
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# 26
02-15-2013, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sunfrancks View Post
Any ship that has less than 10 consoles is considered obsolete.
Even the Vet reward Chimera is obsolete.
this is so far from the truth.
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Career Officer
Join Date: Nov 2012
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# 27
02-15-2013, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by warbird001 View Post
Truthfully, no ship is obsolete, its the players that make it obsolete. I am still flying a Long Range Science Retrofit because I refuse to switch to the Vesta just for a few extras and plus I really hate that ship anyway. But I do fine in PvP, people who fly the lockbox ships, bugs, timeships etc... I just ignore them because if they are that desperate to win at a free game, its probably more embarrassing for them then it is for you.

Keep in mind that you are not as sad as them and keep on trucking, for fun and adventure
+1.

I choose my ships based on how much they make me smile when I look at them. I'm not in a fleet so I don't have fleet ships. Apart from the Galor for my Fed Tac and a few mirrors I wouldn't touch any lockbox or lobi ship with a very long pole.

I hold my own in PvP, I fill my role better than most in STFs, and I have a lot of fun letting my characters (who are really just extensions of different aspects of my own personality) explore the wonders of the galaxy. Explore and kill Borg.

How do you win a game like STO? Simple. You find ways make yourself smile. Whether that's making some joker in a BoP suck warp plasma when he thinks he's sneaking up on your cruiser for an easy kill, whether that's getting surrounded by borg tactical drones and hack/slashing your way to safety with your trusty bat'leth, whether its discovering a cleverly written and amusing Foundry mission, or whether its suddenly finding yourself severely outmatched and discovering a new interesting way to die.

Its a game. Games are supposed to be fun. Have fun and you win the game.


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Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 28
02-16-2013, 09:33 AM
In the Realm of complete optimization, yes some ships are not going to perform.

Fleet ships (or their equivalent) have more console slots and naturally higher shields and hull. In the end, if you are a performance freak, you will need to upgrade ASAP.

But outside that I do believe the following cruisers were obsolete by C-Store ships:

Assault Cruiser (RAdm) - Adv Heavy Cruiser Refit, Assault Cruiser Refit, Support Cruiser Retrofit
Star Cruiser (RAdm) - Oddyssey Star Cruiser (free, not just C-Store)
Exploration Cruiser - By the nature of it's BOFF setup, completely done in by the Oddy
Dreadnaught - Has one purpose, point and shoot alphas, beyond that the AC was better.

The Oddyssey Star Cruiser bundle is what killed them forever though. You had the ability to slot both a universal LtCmdr and Ensign. Even the Oddyssey Star Cruiser that was free (now in fleet store) is obsolete LOL. Here's the cruisers you may look as viable:

Fleet Adv Heavy Cruiser Refit
Fleet Assault Cruiser Refit
Oddyssey Star Cruiser (Sci - Power settings can be offset and consoles are not that useful)
Fleet Support Cruiser Retrofit

I'm also wondering if the Fleet LRSV is made less useful by the Fleet (Nova) SV LOL. I love that ship, the LtCmdr Tactical on my Fleet Nova rocks. I hate the way it looks, but love the way it plays.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 29
02-17-2013, 01:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by warbird001 View Post
Truthfully, no ship is obsolete, its the players that make it obsolete. I am still flying a Long Range Science Retrofit because I refuse to switch to the Vesta just for a few extras and plus I really hate that ship anyway. But I do fine in PvP, people who fly the lockbox ships, bugs, timeships etc... I just ignore them because if they are that desperate to win at a free game, its probably more embarrassing for them then it is for you.

Keep in mind that you are not as sad as them and keep on trucking, for fun and adventure
truthfully, that is your opinion, and at that not even one that can hold up to simple facts.
you say you fly a long range science retrofit...namely the voyager, which has a fleet variant that is superior in each and every way imaginable.
Nobody says you need to switch to the vesta if this ship is not your favourite, but considering your ship not obsolete when there is an upgraded version of the very same ship is pure nonsense.
Your argumentations like "i do fine", "if they are that desperate to win..." are pathetic.

your last sentence however, made me laugh hard. Appart from being the most rediculous statement i have read in a long time on this forum (that means a lot) it just shows what type of opinionated casual gamer you are. In the sense of: "That guy beat me, he must be cheating and paying to win"

i do not condamn your approach at the game as just beeing a star trek barbie land, where you choose your ship purley by looks and the only real challenge is to win the next beauty contest on risa, aslong as we do not cross ways in an elite stf or something else. If you wish to underperform constantly, please don't involve others and stay out of elite stf and PVP, you are doing the rest of your team a favour.

If you take the game casual, thats cool, but then live with the consequenz that there are much better players in much better ships around and don't be so smug about your casual approach to the game.
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Survivor of Romulus
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Posts: 516
# 30
02-17-2013, 01:43 AM
I don't understand all this talk of ships being obsolete. It's nonsense, I fly my Galaxy-R because I like it... and I get on quite well with it. It does some decent team healing and keeps me alive in fleet PvP matches even up against two or three foes. Just because something isn't the super duper brand new ship of the month doesn't mean it's not useful. I use the Nebula too on my Science VA and get on fine too, sure it's a lot slower to turn but it gives an interesting mix of cruiser and science play styles. Hell I went for a spin in my T2.5 Exeter last night! Loved it!

For the record, I have most Fed ships off the C-store inc the Odyssey and Vesta bundles. They're good ships, some might say too good... but I enjoy flying the older ships just the same.

They are NOT obsolete.
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