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# 21
01-31-2013, 03:46 AM
The Kamarag is a Vor'cha Retrofit with -800 Crew, -1000 Hull, +0.5 Turn, and the LCdr Eng switched with the Lt Sci.

On the other hand, the Ambassador is an Assault Cruiser with -100 Crew, +500 Hull, and the LCdr Eng switched with the Lt Sci.

Perhaps it would help to look at the stats of the Vor'cha Retrofit vs. the Assault Cruiser first:

-3000 Hull
+700 Crew
-1 Device
+3 Turn
+5 Weapon Power
+5 Engine Power
-5 Shield Power
-5 Auxiliary Power
+Cloak
+Dual Cannons

Then the stats of the Kamarag vs. the Ambassador:

-4500 Hull
-1 Device
+3.5 Turn
+5 Weapon Power
+5 Engine Power
-5 Shield Power
-5 Auxiliary Power
+Cloak
+Dual Cannons

Is it me or does that just feel off?
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# 22
01-31-2013, 06:28 AM
Kamarag doesn't hold quite as much of a lead over the Ambassador, but KDF battlecruisers still make Federation cruisers look lame, drunk, and late to the party.
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# 23
01-31-2013, 06:40 AM
waste of space just like any other cruiser or carrier, lets be honest folks, all you need in an elite stf is 5 escorts. while cruisers are fun if you roleplay, they are garbage in elite stfs where tanking means nothing and dps is king.
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# 24
01-31-2013, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by beefsupreme79 View Post
waste of space just like any other cruiser or carrier, lets be honest folks, all you need in an elite stf is 5 escorts. while cruisers are fun if you roleplay, they are garbage in elite stfs where tanking means nothing and dps is king.
Cruisers are not garbage. Especially Klingon ones. They have more than enough DPS ability for any challenge, including STF's
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# 25
01-31-2013, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by beefsupreme79 View Post
waste of space just like any other cruiser or carrier, lets be honest folks, all you need in an elite stf is 5 escorts. while cruisers are fun if you roleplay, they are garbage in elite stfs where tanking means nothing and dps is king.
You've never tried to tank several Tactical Cubes, have you?

Damage is the fastest way to tear apart enemies in STO, that no one can deny. However, when your objective is to hold the line, or simply draw fire off another member doing something else... suddenly damage becomes useless

Cruisers and Battlecruisers have their role: take damage while dealing it in return, and they do it well. They're not fast killers, but that was never the point.

And on this thread's topic, I'm still working on my opinion of the stats, but I'm glad the KDF have another ship in their lineup Even if it's 'only' a counterpart to the Ambassador, it's another unique ship we haven't seen in canon, and that's pretty sweet by itself.
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Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh'.
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# 26
01-31-2013, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by beefsupreme79 View Post
waste of space just like any other cruiser or carrier, lets be honest folks, all you need in an elite stf is 5 escorts. while cruisers are fun if you roleplay, they are garbage in elite stfs where tanking means nothing and dps is king.


Wow did you just roll in from the federation

The fleet torkhat is a beast can take on any 4 console raptor dps wise

The voquv with ABOPS can out dps any raptor or bop in pve

The karfi battle carrier can do anything an escort can and sometimes better

Think before you speak jean luc
----=====This is my opinion you don't have to listen and no one else has to read them these "OPINIONS" are based on my exploits and my learning other people will have their opinions and that's fine just don't knock my way of doing things thanks=====----

Last edited by mustafatennick; 01-31-2013 at 07:17 AM.
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# 27
01-31-2013, 07:16 AM
Actually I have tanked elite tac cubes.......in an assault cruiser or voquv, its completely unreliable due to lack of a real taunt. Escorts end up tanking most stfs due to the insane threat they generate. I actually tank more in a raptor than I ever did in a voquv. The issue with sto is that threat is just stuck on escorts. Dont get me wrong I love cruisers for my personal one man rping, but after years of doing stfs they go alot smoother the more escorts there are per stf
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# 28
01-31-2013, 07:21 AM
I'm curious to see what one actually looks like...while in it.

The Friday screenshot gave me a certain impression of what the ship looked like.
The blog changed that somewhat.
The video massively changed that.

On my Tac, well - while I'll pick it up, I'm more than happy currently dorking around back and forth between her Mirror Qin and Mirror Vo'quv (yes, I know - but it's funny at times).

My Eng though, well - he went Negh'Var to Mirror Vor'cha and I enjoyed that. Dabbled around with the Chel Grett, but I went back to the Mirror Vor'cha. The Kamarag, for the way I play the Mirror Vor'cha - well, for the most part it's a no brainer to take it for me. Switching the LCdr Eng for the Lt Sci while adding the En Tac for dropping the En Sci... well, yeah - that's just going to work much better for me. Heck, I'd say the same thing if I had the Vor'cha Retrofit and was looking at the Kamarag where it was just trading the LCdr Eng for the Lt Sci. I'll get more out of a LCdr Sci ability than a second LCdr Eng ability.

My only concern is the loss of crew and hull. It being the older ship, I could see the loss of crew and hull compared to the newer Vor'cha (though, the Ambassador actually got a bump over the Sovereign...hrmmm).

Crew might end up toast to Theta in PvP, but the Borg don't drop Theta. I think the cut in crew and hull is a bit steep when balanced against a +0.5 Turn....
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# 29
01-31-2013, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by beefsupreme79 View Post
Actually I have tanked elite tac cubes.......in an assault cruiser or voquv, its completely unreliable due to lack of a real taunt. Escorts end up tanking most stfs due to the insane threat they generate. I actually tank more in a raptor than I ever did in a voquv. The issue with sto is that threat is just stuck on escorts. Dont get me wrong I love cruisers for my personal one man rping, but after years of doing stfs they go alot smoother the more escorts there are per stf
While I appreciate your enthusiasm about the vo quv,, cause I have one, I disagree that it can out dps a high tier escort with dhcs....adv bops dont have crf. Or spread, or a brain. The torkhat is small, nimble and mounts dhcs, so it basicly a heavy escort, there is not a chance in hades a bort or any other cruiser, fed or klink is out dpsing an escort, and unfortunately thats all pve is about, timers and killing fast and efficiently
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# 30
01-31-2013, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by mustafatennick View Post
Wow did you just roll in from the federation

The fleet torkhat is a beast can take on any 4 console raptor dps wise

The voquv with ABOPS can out dps any raptor or bop in pve

The karfi battle carrier can do anything an escort can and sometimes better

Think before you speak jean luc

stupid phone, meant to quote this. and by the way i have thought before i speak, and frankly who are you to tell me what my opinion can be. Fact remains this isnt even a thought, it comes from hundreds of elite stfs worth of experience

Last edited by beefsupreme79; 01-31-2013 at 07:37 AM.
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