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# 21
01-31-2013, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kapla1755 View Post
I'll take a mirror Vo'quv carrier please Thissler

Good hunting all
That's what I thought, too...
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# 22
01-31-2013, 02:02 PM
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That's what I thought, too...
I have ur mail Mando but kapla I'll need yours. Just send it in game. Mines Thissler.

And yes I'm now out of Voquvs. Still have a couple raptors or cruisers.
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# 23
01-31-2013, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickngo View Post
I've run Raptors in STF, I've run Battlecruisers in STF, and I keep going back to my BoPs (except on my Sci, who's got a Kar'fi...).

So, let us look at why:

1. any firearms instructor will tell you that it doesn't matter how big your gun is, or how many features it's got, it's how comfortable you are with it and how well you use it. In videogames/MMO's this translates into a phrase known as "Playing style"-the animation/toon one is most comfortable using, even if it is NOT statistically the best possible option.

2. a lot of people aren't happy jumping from hull-to-hull all the time. a BoP doesn't require you to run to the shipyard between STF, PvP, or storyline/featured missions. For players who do NOT have three years' worth of gear banked up prior to S7 on every toon they own, the choice of a single hull (whatever hull it is) means not having to waste limited minutes (yes, some of us can't spend 8-16 hours/day on the game mastering every possible hull config) switching the deflector/engines/shields/weapons/Bridge stations to have the "Optimum" build for each individual task. a BoP is a generalist in the true sense-you can change its entire role-set (sci, eng/support, tac) between respawns.

Raptors, by contrast, are nothing but DPS machines with a handling issue, with fixed bridge officer stations that pre-set to a specific kind and style of play. Battlecruisers are...well...cruisers, with the limited Tac stations of cruisers, limited sci stations of KDF Battlecruisers, etc. etc.

3. BoPs are actually fun to fly. It's that whole turn-rate thing-it handles, unlike the "proper Escorts" or Raptors, (well, escorts minus the rickokulusly OP Jem bug, anyway), it's got turn-rate and turn-around rate, making it appropriate as a "universal" ship you can finish the Elite STF in, then turn around and go play C&H or Arenas in. You're not Only-good-in-ideal-conditions.
I never have handling issues with my mirror qin heavy raptor.
I find it perfect for the borg empire defense missions,being able to kill a cube straight from the decloak in one pass is priceless, I champion my qin mirror heavy raptor over any other KDF ship any day.
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# 24
01-31-2013, 02:40 PM
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Really? You felt the need to post this just to agree with what I said? Or did you just not understand what I said?

And it isn't 'statistically better'. Raptors are measurably, and easily so, better than BOP's in STF's. Just because someone sucks in a raptor or cant seem to drive one for some reason doesn't say a thing about the Raptor. It says something about the player. So don't go making this into something it isn't. If you in particular find basing urself next to the ship selector for the limited time you may be playing, well that's up to you. You'd need to poll about a thousand people before you could apply that to anyone else. If you don't believe that, look it up.
That was coming from someone who always bashes the Bortasqu too and thinks it sucks just because he doesn't know how to pilot it properly, so take his opinions with a grain of salt. He also obviously doesn't know about the Somraw/ Fleet Somraw and how it doesn't have the pivot issues of the Qin. But even with pivot issues Qin is still great in STFs, just has trouble keeping up with escorts sometimes in pvp.
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# 25
01-31-2013, 02:56 PM
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That was coming from someone who always bashes the Bortasqu too and thinks it sucks just because he doesn't know how to pilot it properly, so take his opinions with a grain of salt. He also obviously doesn't know about the Somraw/ Fleet Somraw and how it doesn't have the pivot issues of the Qin. But even with pivot issues Qin is still great in STFs, just has trouble keeping up with escorts sometimes in pvp.
I mean, PVE and PVP I've sorta gone out of my way to make vids showing how to gear a ship with no dilithium needed, no special sets from grinding needed, just common gear. And showing how all the endgame stuff is reachable by anyone. I'm certainly not the guy saying you can't do it, or that you need special sooper gear or training. Sure a little sense and sure some things are better than others but beyond that if the mission get done and you had fun I'd certainly call it win win.

And since you brought it up.......although I'd hate to get TO FAR off topic....

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...WrjE7U3S3tU9Dj

BUDGET BORTAS! or...how to do things really cheap now that your stuck with a big chubby ship!! (that cost a bunch)

But really the lessons inside there go for any ship. There are many cheap alternatives for anyone to use.
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# 26
01-31-2013, 03:21 PM
Ingame mail is same as my forum handle, but was adding a bit of levity to the the thread got plenty of mirror vessels mirror qin is sweet.

Good hunting all
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# 27
02-01-2013, 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by marc8219 View Post
That was coming from someone who always bashes the Bortasqu too and thinks it sucks just because he doesn't know how to pilot it properly, so take his opinions with a grain of salt. He also obviously doesn't know about the Somraw/ Fleet Somraw and how it doesn't have the pivot issues of the Qin. But even with pivot issues Qin is still great in STFs, just has trouble keeping up with escorts sometimes in pvp.
No, I bash teh Bort, because I don't LIKE the Bort, (as in, I can run it, I just don't ENJOY running it). Notably, you're VERY defensive about your lifestyle choices, presuming that anyone who doesn't LIKE to run in a mud-slow, sluggish, bulky office-building/space-station-with-an-engine must be incapable of doing so, ignorant, incompetent, etc.

The difference between the two, is the difference between a Monster Truck and a Motorcycle-both are single-passenger rides, but one's a hell of a lot easier to get up a mountain trail than the other. (i.e. doing that which requires putting the target in front of the guns.)

Now, there ARE trade-offs made; I have mission flexibility, speed, and turn rate, you have as much resistance as a small task force, and depending on model, the potential to run 40% higher output on your guns on a per-gun basis and two more turrets than I can carry.

But you pay for it in turn radius, inertia (accelleration and stopping distance), and flexibility in your non-hardware mission powers (Bridge Officer abilities). which is fine, if that's what you like.

MY not-liking-it has zero to do with not understanding the advantages or build-I just don't like it, and find that my "Motorcycle" does the same basic jobs your "Monster Truck" does-but in a more compact, stripped down, and comfortable (for me) package. (oh, and CHEAPER-I didn't have to pay fifty bucks for mine, nor grind EC until my fingers bled...)

Capische, Surat? Put in the terms of another game, not everyone needs to waddle around in an Atlas to be competitive-some of us can do it in a Jenner.
"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."

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# 28
02-01-2013, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickngo View Post
No, I bash teh Bort, because I don't LIKE the Bort, (as in, I can run it, I just don't ENJOY running it). Notably, you're VERY defensive about your lifestyle choices, presuming that anyone who doesn't LIKE to run in a mud-slow, sluggish, bulky office-building/space-station-with-an-engine must be incapable of doing so, ignorant, incompetent, etc.

The difference between the two, is the difference between a Monster Truck and a Motorcycle-both are single-passenger rides, but one's a hell of a lot easier to get up a mountain trail than the other. (i.e. doing that which requires putting the target in front of the guns.)

Now, there ARE trade-offs made; I have mission flexibility, speed, and turn rate, you have as much resistance as a small task force, and depending on model, the potential to run 40% higher output on your guns on a per-gun basis and two more turrets than I can carry.

But you pay for it in turn radius, inertia (accelleration and stopping distance), and flexibility in your non-hardware mission powers (Bridge Officer abilities). which is fine, if that's what you like.

MY not-liking-it has zero to do with not understanding the advantages or build-I just don't like it, and find that my "Motorcycle" does the same basic jobs your "Monster Truck" does-but in a more compact, stripped down, and comfortable (for me) package. (oh, and CHEAPER-I didn't have to pay fifty bucks for mine, nor grind EC until my fingers bled...)

Capische, Surat? Put in the terms of another game, not everyone needs to waddle around in an Atlas to be competitive-some of us can do it in a Jenner.
But when we were wee ones and we saw our first image of an Atlas we were all....Oooooo! Bonus points if that first image was in black and white pencil in a soft cover rulebook.

Everyone Loves BoPs. And if they don't Love BoPs I bet they hate kittens and puppies as well.

No one here is saying OMFG you can't do that! At least I'm not. I think I pretty clearly showed a nice fluffy BoP enjoying an STF. I am baffled as to why you might think I condone an elitist style of play, or only paying hard cash or dil grinds for game items. Everyone KNOWS that option is there. I like to show people that may feel shut out of end game play because they DON"T have that option that they CAN compete easily and cheaply.

So I pointed out some alternative ships that are easy to purchase, kit out, and enjoy and are arguably better suited to those just starting out as well as being better suited to your average STF. BoP in an STF takes a certain amount of flair to make work, so how does it hurt to point the way to some cheap rugged options?

And just as a point of reference I have a BoP I've been known to fly. The build just SUCKS so hard for PVE. It's downright useless. And changing the Boff's with that bug they had was just annoying as all hell. And the gear. I could have a Raptor in ALL common gear that takes me all of a few seconds at the shipyard to change into, I do allllll of my pve pew pew pew and I'm done. Hell I'll kit out a ship for a couple hundred thousand EC including doffs and It'll be just fine. I don't consider that onerous or grinding anything to the bone.



Cheers happy flying!!
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