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Rihannsu
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# 21
12-19-2012, 05:42 AM
It is true, they added relatively more carriers than other stuff.

But that's simply because carriers are fun for many people, which I suspect will show in the sales figures.


I still do not quite understand where you see the actual problem with that?
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# 22
12-19-2012, 06:06 AM
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I still do not quite understand where you see the actual problem with that?
It wasn't a case of stating an overall problem with the carriers being added. It was mainly a case of feeling that the Dominion lockbox would not have a carrier as some have speculated - part of the reason being the number of carriers added already. That's not saying they won't add more carriers but rather a case that I believe they're going to try to put in more non-carrier ships before adding another carrier.

The other concern was if they did add the Sarr Theln and how it would affect the flaky balance of ADR vs. ASD. I'm a firm believer in the FvK debates, that ASD/AA+shared cheese is worse than ADR+shared cheese. No doubt, there's too much cheese; but I believe KDF drain is worse than Fed tractor spam.

Now if you give the Feds drain (minus the AA, but with the potential of Leech with the lockbox) - then you have Drain(-AA)+ADR vs ASD/AA... and I'm a firm believer that the Feds would be worse. As a person that almost exclusively FvF's to avoid the drain stuff... well, I'm not sure that I'd still PvP facing the combination from Feds.
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# 23
12-19-2012, 06:11 AM
I'm guessing a jem'hadar heavy escort with a BO layout similar to the Breen cruiser; except with a LtCmdr engineer instead of Sci, and a bunch of eng console slots instead of sci.

That should give you PvPers fits. Maybe even put in a 5th tac console so you'll really rage.

But yeah, they are on a kick of adding escort hybrids right now... So it wouldn't surprise me.

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# 24
12-19-2012, 06:21 AM
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I'm guessing a jem'hadar heavy escort with a BO layout similar to the Breen cruiser; except with a LtCmdr engineer instead of Sci, and a bunch of eng console slots instead of sci.

That should give you PvPers fits. Maybe even put in a 5th tac console so you'll really rage.

But yeah, they are on a kick of adding escort hybrids right now... So it wouldn't surprise me.
It's kind of funny, in a strange way, looking at the Bug compared to the Vet ships - much less Escorts and Raptors. Then looking at the Chel Grett...

...well, if they went vertical in power instead of horizontal (where vertical makes more sense as long as you do not look at the stats for the Bug) - they could probably finance S8 from the keys they'd sell.
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Rihannsu
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# 25
12-19-2012, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
It wasn't a case of stating an overall problem with the carriers being added. It was mainly a case of feeling that the Dominion lockbox would not have a carrier as some have speculated - part of the reason being the number of carriers added already. That's not saying they won't add more carriers but rather a case that I believe they're going to try to put in more non-carrier ships before adding another carrier.

The other concern was if they did add the Sarr Theln and how it would affect the flaky balance of ADR vs. ASD. I'm a firm believer in the FvK debates, that ASD/AA+shared cheese is worse than ADR+shared cheese. No doubt, there's too much cheese; but I believe KDF drain is worse than Fed tractor spam.

Now if you give the Feds drain (minus the AA, but with the potential of Leech with the lockbox) - then you have Drain(-AA)+ADR vs ASD/AA... and I'm a firm believer that the Feds would be worse. As a person that almost exclusively FvF's to avoid the drain stuff... well, I'm not sure that I'd still PvP facing the combination from Feds.
Please define your acronyms. I don't even get what you are trying to say.
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# 26
12-19-2012, 06:43 AM
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Please define your acronyms. I don't even get what you are trying to say.
AA = Aceton Assimilator
ASD = Advanced Siphon Drone
ADR = Advanced Danube Runabout
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# 27
01-31-2013, 11:16 AM
frankly I'm still waiting on a HEC with 2 hangers and a lt com sci though I doubt I'll ever see it as it would make most of the other carriers obsolete.

I'd love one of the shiny new jem'hadar HECs but dear lord those boff stations are terrible. I realise it had subsystem targetting built in but still, dear lord.

Cmdr Tac
Ens/Lt Tac
Lt com uni
Lt uni.
^ at least with that it would be more in line with the current fed HEC.
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# 28
01-31-2013, 03:32 PM
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