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# 11
02-01-2013, 06:13 AM
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Ability: Extended shields
Issue: The stacking capability of extend shields should be removed, no more 5 crusiers teams, this also will help to reduce the breach beetwen premades/pugmades vs pugs. This will include an "skill" factor into the healing role, no just throw 3 extended shields every time the enemy team focus on one of us.


imho this is totaly wrong, APO is probably the only effective skill in an escort build for movement debuffs, if u nerf this skill, then will be needed an complete rebump in all the movement debuff skills
By definition you have just validated my statement - "only effective skill". That means its out of whack with the other attack patterns. Doesn't that mean that Attack Pattern Beta and Delta need buffing in some way?


Why don't you just switch target when you see multiple extends? That's what most teams do - Pointless wasting abilities on that type of target.

Surely the Skill to countering extend shields is to dummy attack a fake target who receives the extends before you attack the actual target? You do have a 15 second window to kill someone.

Another valid strategy is to have a photonic shockwave available at the right time to simply knock them off? This is another skill.
Another is to repulse the target out of the extender's range?
Another is to use the MACO beam to push the target out of the healers range?
That's already 4 very viable counters, but none the less, i'll add it.
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# 12
02-01-2013, 06:19 AM
According to Trinity Extend Shields have no CD if you run 2 copies of them. You can cycle one, and then right after immediatly cycle the second. Then when the second has ended , you can restart the first.
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# 13
02-01-2013, 06:22 AM
Profession: Engineers
Issue: Lack of profession specific abilities which are castable on team mates (MW and RSF).

Defense and Movement
Issue: All or nothing nature leads to a held target being disproportionally vulnerable.
Issue: Lack of other sources of defense leads to disproportionate value for sources of movement immunity and ships which can maintain that immunity.
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# 14
02-01-2013, 06:22 AM
I didn't say that there is no option for counter Extended shields, but the stacking ability is just dumb. Healing role is just dummy-mode-spamm-Extended shields, and if they use PSW or any other counter u have tons of heals for cover it a few seconds before other teammate use his extended shields, or yours come back form CD (or just use your 2nd copy of it..)

Stacking ability of ES is dump an totaly no needed, ES will be still a "must" skill in a healer even witout stacking.
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# 15
02-01-2013, 06:22 AM
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According to Trinity Extend Shields have no CD if you run 2 copies of them. You can cycle one, and then right after immediatly cycle the second. Then when the second has ended , you can restart the first.
That's true however you loose the ability to hit RSP when you need to save yourself
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# 16
02-01-2013, 06:23 AM
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Defense and Movement
Issue: All or nothing nature leads to a held target being disproportionally vulnerable.
Issue: Lack of other sources of defense leads to disproportionate value for sources of movement immunity and ships which can maintain that immunity.
Ive been yelling for this for a looooong time now!
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# 17
02-01-2013, 06:24 AM
and please if u are going to make the "offical list", try to don't change the "issue" part accoding to your opinion, i didn't say is too powerfull, i'm just asking for a tweak in the stacking capability.

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That's true however you loose the ability to hit RSP when you need to save yourself
no need of rsp if ur team is spamming ES
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# 18
02-01-2013, 06:25 AM
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That's true however you loose the ability to hit RSP when you need to save yourself
Thats what the team is for! If i can have Trinity using 2 ES for the other 4 of us to heal him, then heck yes! 100% uptime on ES > RSP.
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# 19
02-01-2013, 06:30 AM
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and please if u are going to make the "offical list", try to don't change the "issue" part accoding to your opinion, i didn't say is too powerfull, i'm just asking for a tweak in the stacking capability.



no need of rsp if ur team is spamming ES
Give me time to update the thread guys...lol Only reason i'm updating this much is cos i'm off work. Then it will be once a day unless Branflakes and / or forum moderators help out (Hint hint )
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# 20
02-01-2013, 06:31 AM
np, sorry
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