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# 21
02-01-2013, 07:20 AM
Its not Jemmy ship which is op. But rather pilots who use it right. Same with the most p2w ships and powers.
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# 22
02-01-2013, 07:23 AM
Then all premades would be just be fine slotting a Defiant into their premade in place of a JHAS when going up against other JHAS, right?


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# 23
02-01-2013, 07:24 AM
interesting thing I see more time ships then jemmys.
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# 24
02-01-2013, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by joshmaaaaaaans View Post
Who the **** cares u muggatrons. PVP is just a bolt-on, like when you buy a phone contract and decide you want an additional 250 texts per month, nothing more, no need to be so competitive about it.

Go play DOTA2 if you want to be competitive.
Muggatrons?

I can't wrap my head around this one...what exactly is a "muggatron"...
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# 25
02-01-2013, 07:24 AM
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Cryptic, give my Defiant the Patrol Escort config and I'll be happy.
Honestly this is the main factor for me.

The rest of it, is small enough in a team situation to not really matter.


If they had given the Fleet Defiant a universal Ensign or Eng ensign, I think you'd see a lot less QQ about the bug (I'd actually fly one, even at a slight step down in stats just to fly an actual Fed ship).

Unfortunately they decided to give universal Eng ensign only to the Fleet Patrol Escort. (Which was also a let down in that you can no longer run the Adv Escort layout +Module at the Fleet Ship Level - only on the MVAE with the 3rd Tac Ensign).
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# 26
02-01-2013, 07:26 AM
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Muggatrons?

I can't wrap my head around this one...what exactly is a "muggatron"...
Someone who mugs a tron for business or pleasure?


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# 27
02-01-2013, 07:29 AM
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Honestly this is the main factor for me.

The rest of it, is small enough in a team situation to not really matter.


If they had given the Fleet Defiant a universal Ensign or Eng ensign, I think you'd see a lot less QQ about the bug (I'd actually fly one, even at a slight step down in stats just to fly an actual Fed ship).
But then who would fly the patrol escort?

You'd probably cause less problems by giving all Fed escorts +4 to turn rate.
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# 28
02-01-2013, 07:32 AM
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But then who would fly the patrol escort?

You'd probably cause less problems by giving all Fed escorts +4 to turn rate.
The people who enjoy it.

I want to fly the iconic ship and not be gimped by it.

+4 turn rate isn't going to give my favorite Escort the best boff seating.


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# 29
02-01-2013, 07:37 AM
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Jem'Hadar Attack Ship
1- Highest turn-rate of all escorts, excluding raiders.
2- Aside from Escort Carriers, the highest HP of all escorts.
3- Shield Rating of 1, while most other escorts tend to have around 0.9
4- Two universal boff slots
5- 5 tactical console slots
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Nerf (1) and (3) and the ship would be reasonable. Especially (1).
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# 30
02-01-2013, 08:25 AM
The only advantage the bug has is the turn rate... thats it. In every other way the fleet ships are a match...

The uni stations are pointless... no one is going to NOT run a sci boff... and why would you put a tack in the other one...

That means there are 2 Possible Bug configurations...

Fleet Escort...

Or dual Sci LT with only one Engi ensign... its fun to mess with but not its in no way a real options...

So its got a fleet escort layout.

Hull means very little to pvp its true... so the extra 1-3k it has there over a couple of the escorts is again no big deal.

Shields NO the bug does not have more shields... yes I won't claim only one sci slot makes the ship terrible or something... but yes it matters. Yes any of the fleet escorts with 2-3 Field gens will have more shielding... and NO neutronium armour is not in anyway a good replacement for that on an escort... one Neut is all you need on any escort or your doing it wrong.

The 5th tac console... nice to have but not unique to the bug... and frankly doesn't add as much real DPS as people seem to think.

Bottom line its better then the other escorts for 9 out of 10 Escort play styles. Sure... but not by the amounts people let on. It has one real advantage... turn rate... and sure it could be taken down one point and still be a fantastic ship. Really thou at the end of the day thats the only real + it has going for it. Well it turns on its proper center and thats just OP. seriously this game has a ton of ass turning escorts.
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