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# 31
02-01-2013, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sirurza View Post
Another timeline? Don't we get the Ambassador from another timeline... the mirror universe of that alternate timeline...
What in blazes are you talking about?

The Ambassador is a canonical ship and was seen multiple times in the Prime Storyline.

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Cryptic isn't going to use the JJ models because they're exclusive to another company; CBS doesn't own even a tiny bit of them. Paramount and CBS went their separate ways years ago, and the 2009 movie is the first thing produced by Paramount without CBS owning a piece.

If CBS could let them put it in, they would, because it would increase their ability to leverage the press hype surrounding the new movies. That's why we don't get the ships from that movie that DO come from the STO timeline: Spock's future ship, the Narada, and the Kelvin. It'd take a special deal with Paramount to get any of those ships.

I don't know if there are details in the CBS contract that would prohibit making that deal with Paramount, but I'm sure it'd be an expensive deal if they were allowed to make it.
Why are you responding to my post with this and not the person I was responding to, who did want JJ ships?

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At the end of Star Trek: The Voyage Home, the U.S.S. Yorktown (itself having undergone most of the same refits as the original Enterprise) was deigned to be renamed the Enterprise-A. What I meant by "Entirely new ship" was not that the ship itself was brand spanking new (if we were going by that logic they would have been given the Excelsior Class as the Enterprise-A instead of the former Yorktown, but they were given a Constition Class instead). What I meant was that the ship was new to the Enterprise Crew themselves and that it wasn't in fact the original enterprise. Hence it was a "NEW" Enterprise, even if it wasn't literally brand new.
Why are you responding me with the Enterprise History?

Anyhow, you should've been more clear in your initial post, you made like it was a brand new ship, not "new to the crew".
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# 32
02-01-2013, 08:46 PM
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What in blazes are you talking about?

The Ambassador is a canonical ship and was seen multiple times in the Prime Storyline.
And we get it for going to an alternate timeline's mirror universe.
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# 33
02-01-2013, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by helixsunbringer View Post
At the end of Star Trek: The Voyage Home, the U.S.S. Yorktown (itself having undergone most of the same refits as the original Enterprise) was deigned to be renamed the Enterprise-A. What I meant by "Entirely new ship" was not that the ship itself was brand spanking new (if we were going by that logic they would have been given the Excelsior Class as the Enterprise-A instead of the former Yorktown, but they were given a Constition Class instead). What I meant was that the ship was new to the Enterprise Crew themselves and that it wasn't in fact the original enterprise. Hence it was a "NEW" Enterprise, even if it wasn't literally brand new.
one thing, the Enterprise crew were not given the ship, they chose the ship. they saw the U.S.S. Excelsior Class and Scotty made a remark on it being too flashy and finnicky, when they saw the U.S.S. Yorktown they just knew to choose that ship.

they had their pick of any ship they chose the Constitution class.
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# 34
02-01-2013, 08:53 PM
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one thing, the Enterprise crew were not given the ship, they chose the ship. they saw the U.S.S. Excelsior Class and Scotty made a remark on it being too flashy and finnicky, when they saw the U.S.S. Yorktown they just knew to choose that ship.

they had their pick of any ship they chose the Constitution class.
What movie did you see....I saw them flying around and were shocked to see the Enterprise
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# 35
02-01-2013, 08:56 PM
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one thing, the Enterprise crew were not given the ship, they chose the ship. they saw the U.S.S. Excelsior Class and Scotty made a remark on it being too flashy and finnicky, when they saw the U.S.S. Yorktown they just knew to choose that ship.

they had their pick of any ship they chose the Constitution class.
bwahahahaahaha. wow, that was a good one.. dude, they had no clue what they were getting.. there was even dialogue about weather they were gonna end up with the excelsior, or a second rate ship... there was no "choice".. do us a favor.. leave the pot in the bag and re watch the movie. lol...
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# 36
02-01-2013, 09:14 PM
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Your never gonna get the chance to fly any of the show Enterprise varients because Cryptic cannot afford it and CBS wont let Cryptic mess with their franchise. Which I can perfectly understand since Cryptic would only screw it up.
What the hell are you talking about - CBS is running STO articles of Star Trek.com regularly - and including STO based story fiction in Star trek magazine on a regular basis. Cryptic has license to use any of the ships from the shows in story missions they create (as evidenced by the fact player characters flew the actual 1701-C in the third year anniversary mission - "Temporal Ambassador". Cryptic has full IP rights to anything in the 70+ hours of TV episodes - and the first 9 Star trek feature films - there's nothing they have to 'afford' anything further with regard to that stuff - only book and stuff from other Star trek games requires an outside licensing deal (and possible monetary cost).

As for Cryptic screwing up the Star Trek franchise - realize that in the end, the CBS Star Trel lcensing division has to approve everything Cryptic puts into STO - so if you want to 'blame' someone for screwing up the IP - CBS reps are the ones to hound.

CBS (for whatever reason) doesn't want to allow the TOS Constitution Class model to be anything beyond a Tier 0 starter ship. If they have given Cryptic a reason for this, Cryptic hasn't passed it along.
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# 37
02-01-2013, 10:03 PM
You know, we can get a 'close enough for grenades and tricobalt torpedoes' version if we bug them to model an alternate Ambassador pylon/nacelle set (And maybe a neck with an extra-large torpedo launcher).

It wouldn't quite be the same, but it would be close enough for most people.
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# 38
02-01-2013, 10:31 PM
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And we get it for going to an alternate timeline's mirror universe.
No, we dont.

Dont use the phrase "mirror universe" that have a specific meaning in Trek unless you are specific referring to the Mirror Universe, neither "Yesterday's Enterprise" or "Temporal Ambassador" ever taken place in the mirror universe, only in a alternative time of the prime universe.
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# 39
02-01-2013, 11:55 PM
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Actually, it's pretty much what Age said. The only reason we can't have a T5 TOS Constitution is because there's a clause in the contract stating this. None whatsoever of a T5 NX for all I know.
That is not what I said though as Crypric/PWE can put any ships associated with Gene Star Trek not JJs.This includes 1701-A although they are both in the game arleady but the way they are laid out.

There ships hve been in othe Star trek games with out Paramounts permission make that CBS now.These games were heavly modded to inlude better models.I would say if you wanta better model than there would be no problem and having the original phaser emitters instead of the arrays.
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# 40
02-02-2013, 12:45 AM
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No, we dont.

Dont use the phrase "mirror universe" that have a specific meaning in Trek unless you are specific referring to the Mirror Universe, neither "Yesterday's Enterprise" or "Temporal Ambassador" ever taken place in the mirror universe, only in a alternative time of the prime universe.
Pretty sure that Enterprise (which is canon, whether you like it or not) already established that the Mirror Universe is also an "alternate timeline" from the Prime Universe in which Zephram Cochrane shotgunned the Vulcans in the face, although it's speculated that the actual divergence happened even before then (Axis powers winning WWII?).

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