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# 81
02-02-2013, 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by starcommando101 View Post
variety? dude, there is multiple variety, but you must need a definition...

I never said i wanted beamboats, if thats your dream then by all means go achieve it
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im just saying that the ship is superior to every other escort, there should be balance.

You want it at the same level as your fleet defiant, which it will never be.
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# 82
02-02-2013, 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickngo View Post
It's NOT a TEST of skill-it's a test of Means-how much are you willing to spend to win-rather than how good you are or aren't at playing.

Bugships are a statement: "I have nothing in my life but winning a fifteen kill deathmatch, and I have more disposable income than you do." It's like the guy who shows up to race the kiddie drags in a top-fuel funnycar with full technician support-he's not there for the sport, he's there to display his financial means and rub some faces in the dirt with his wallet.

In a way, it's a cheap-win compensation for real-life powerlessness. THAT is the core mentality behind "It cost me XXundered dollars in keys/xxmilion EC on the exchange so it SHOULD be better..." as a justification for the stats and a defense of its' marysue-level stats.

which is, of course, why KILLING ONE is so cool-cooler than killing anything else in the game, either PvP OR PvE-because in competent hands, it's unstoppable, but competent hands usually don't bother.
...it's not about the money, it's better cause of the rareness and no extra console... there are more ways than one to get this with ec-only ^^...

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# 83
02-02-2013, 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by polie05 View Post
Your words, not mine:




You want it at the same level as your fleet defiant, which it will never be.
when did i say it since you are so good at quoting good sir?

i never said i had a fleet defiant, i dont own one, i just know it is needed to be looked at. please read before you post
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# 84
02-02-2013, 02:23 AM
I have already stated my feelings on the bug ship... and yes every long time pvp players knows its the best escort by a fairly wide margin.

Some of you guys protest a little to hard. Don't worry daddy isn't going to take away your toys. Still I guess people have a right to laugh at those of you that posture so hard. I have a bug of course... and I love flying it its a fun ship to fly... it zooms like a bop with none of the draw backs whats not to love. Seriously thought the Anti Bug talk is pretty understandable I never end up playing mine for more then 10-20 min before I feel dirty and swap to a toon using some other escort. lol
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# 85
02-02-2013, 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickngo View Post
It's NOT a TEST of skill-it's a test of Means-how much are you willing to spend to win-rather than how good you are or aren't at playing.

Bugships are a statement: "I have nothing in my life but winning a fifteen kill deathmatch, and I have more disposable income than you do." It's like the guy who shows up to race the kiddie drags in a top-fuel funnycar with full technician support-he's not there for the sport, he's there to display his financial means and rub some faces in the dirt with his wallet.

In a way, it's a cheap-win compensation for real-life powerlessness. THAT is the core mentality behind "It cost me XXundered dollars in keys/xxmilion EC on the exchange so it SHOULD be better..." as a justification for the stats and a defense of its' marysue-level stats.

which is, of course, why KILLING ONE is so cool-cooler than killing anything else in the game, either PvP OR PvE-because in competent hands, it's unstoppable, but competent hands usually don't bother.


So your sayign everyone that flys a bug has no life and is rich? I think not. More than a few got it at the winter event (where it was free), or got it within just a few packs. Some people, (like myself), figured it was coming back in September and slowly aquired keys to buy and sell to earn EC for the re-release of it.

The last statement you make is that no skilled player uses a bug. hmm thats seems like a broad stroke. Your now calling Rand, Jedi, PAX, Broken, Pug, ect ect incompetent because only incompetent players use them? Sorry but thats just a foolish statement. (Maybe I mis-read it but thats how your last statement reads to me)

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# 86
02-02-2013, 02:26 AM
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when did i say it since you are so good at quoting good sir?

i never said i had a fleet defiant, i dont own one, i just know it is needed to be looked at. please read before you post


Ok you got me there, but it not going to be nerfed to your level, (which is questionable at this time) because there is nothing wrong with it.
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# 87
02-02-2013, 02:32 AM
I'm very confused by your posts polie05.

You say it is not OP because it is rock to the paper. As in what kills other escorts also will kill it mainly referring to skilled cc play. Same thing that kills any escort.

Yet it still has superior stats to all other escorts. It has higher turn rate, a great hull/shield mod, etc etc. But that does not make it OP to you.

Then why would it be a huge deal, if you say that stuff does not matter, if the hull was reduced a tad, or the turn rate? That would not make it underpowered as it would still kill the things that all escorts can kill that being the vulnerable target.

Or are you ok with such a change, you just think that OP!!! claims are blown out of proportion?
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# 88
02-02-2013, 02:33 AM
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...it's not about the money, it's better cause of the rareness and no extra console... there are more ways than one to get this with ec-only ^^...
On the contrary, good sir, it IS about the money-or 'rarity' (what rarity???). Simple test for you:

would you EVER fly anything ELSE in a PvP match you're serious about winning? Be honest now-do you think you can WIN flying anything BUT a Bugship (or flying in a team with NO bugships-composed only of people you know...)

There are only two types of situations I've observed where Bugships go down;

1. Against other Bugships-full stop.
2. When the pilot's clearly flying something he bought in his first ever PvP experience-as in mistakes Raptor or FedScort jockeys don't tend to make, even when they ARE new-i.e. incredibly, mind-blowingly, elementary mistakes-like burning all your defensive buffs into cooldown in the middle of a hostile FedBall with Trics set to go off nearby, then STOPPING like you're hammering Probes on KASE.

That's it-I've seen Bugship pilots make a lot of slop mistakes that would kill a Raptor, FedScort, or BoP, and walk away giggling-to go and do it AGAIN. The layout and abilities are OP because you can be sloppy, careless, unskilled, and win.
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# 89
02-02-2013, 02:34 AM
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Ok you got me there, but it not going to be nerfed to your level, (which is questionable at this time) because there is nothing wrong with it.
Heck, I'm not asking for the god of all nerfs here, I'm asking for the Devs to look at the turnrate. Why? Because to compensate for not having a special console, it has superior hull and shields of any escort (not escort carriers) and a really high turn rate. Maybe nerf the turn rate one or two points (after a discussion with the pvp community to see what is the best decision) seeing as one point base on an escort is really huge.

It will still have the highest turn rate among escorts in general, and the shields and hull, but be on par with them as well for not having a unique console.
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# 90
02-02-2013, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by starcommando101 View Post
True but seeing from all the others that have posted, and not even from what I have said, there has to be something wrong if this topic constantly shows up in PvP chat every so often. Something the Devs might want to express their opinions so we can see their point of view.
i can state an example (no i'm not a hero. often i just die ):
yesterday c&h, me in my fleet-heavy---armitage... (just watch da photo )...
20 kills, no deaths (almost more capping than fighting ^^)
bug on my team:
20 kills, 0 deaths

my dps was only near to 100k below (due to 5th tac console i guess;in the 700k-800k range), my healing was much higher.
i've hunted down bugs in my fleet defiant as some kind of sports before i got my own. and one is to state, battlecloak or not: it gives the defiant a major advance. not only reffering to the bug, but also to every other fed-ship except gal-x (evade, cloak, alpha). i know players who are very succesful with such tactics.

it's rare. it's op. so is the recluse f.e., just the other way round ... also you may remember a decent player in a bug much more than one you can let plop all night long...
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