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# 41
02-03-2013, 11:21 AM
You are right, in that time will tell. On a few occasions I was very nervous about the proposed changes, but in the end they all seem to work out.
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# 42
02-03-2013, 11:25 AM
Nervous? PvE requires these torps to complete it? lol.

PvP was fine before the supercrit nonsense from Tric mines and Breens became so popular.


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# 43
02-03-2013, 01:17 PM
No I am not nervous. My concern is for pvp. Hasn't the one crit they all crit always been around.... So take your lulz and keep them. lol
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# 44
02-03-2013, 02:27 PM
Hence the word "popular."

PvEers didn't start abusing these combos until they were popularized by PvPers.

And they aren't needed to complete PvE content, so who cares if they are nerfed into uselessness.


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# 45
02-03-2013, 02:44 PM
breen cluster is the only way how sci captain in sci ship can do some dangerous dmg in pvp nowadays. so don't nerf it.
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# 46
02-03-2013, 03:27 PM
Agreed with sci in sci needs BTCT. I have been using the BTCT since its' inception so having it on board is not a flavor of the month for me.

I suppose if everyone is running it now than it may be op but one could decrease mines launched or up the cool down.

Anyway my two cents... Enjoyed the discussion. My obsession for this thread has ended.
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# 47
02-03-2013, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by shaeply View Post
breen cluster is the only way how sci captain in sci ship can do some dangerous dmg in pvp nowadays. so don't nerf it.
Yeah, if anything, this is pretty indicative that they are, in fact, edging into overpowered territory... after all, if a Sci captain can do some "dangerous damage" with them what do you suppose an angry Tac Captain can do with 'em? Look, if you're Sci/Sci, be thinking about how you can setup a kill for your Team and less about how you yourself can pop single targets, it's what we do better than anyone.

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Any numbers changes need to happen after pattern crit-chaining is adjusted, however.

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# 48
02-03-2013, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by thegrimcorsair View Post
Yeah, if anything, this is pretty indicative that they are, in fact, edging into overpowered territory... after all, if a Sci captain can do some "dangerous damage" with them what do you suppose an angry Tac Captain can do with 'em? Look, if you're Sci/Sci, be thinking about how you can setup a kill for your Team and less about how you yourself can pop single targets, it's what we do better than anyone.

Lets speculate?

oh ya we don?t have to because it is not and never will be a one shot one kill power.

I am a tac captain and like I said in a previouse post. It is acceptiable but nowhere near op. 15k damage MAX when fully buffed on shielded opponent. If your shield less your SoL just like any shield less opponent.

Fully Buffed cannon scort can rip through shields wahaaa nerf them.... thats how u sound right now buddy. Anything fully buffed kills more effective!!!! does not mean its op...

Play a full kin build, you sacrifice a huge chunk of skills and power to do the thing we can. To even get close to the damage of a transcluster at 15k fully buffed you must Sacrifice your focus on energy weapon entirely.

No one fully spec will get a 1 shot through shields EVER, and to sacrifice so much for one power to make it usable is NOT OP.

I?ve one shot 4 people in 3 sec but it was a combination of kin attacks and multi mines, I sure allot of them thought it was the cluster that fired, but was just one piece of the puzzle.

A cluster by itself is not op
1 will not one shot through shields (even buffed)
2 requires major overhaul of ship, skill, powers to be effective
3 can be shot down
4. pointless for escort and cruisers
5 requires timing, skills and buffs
6.Opponenet can spec against it
7.Out run mines/ ewp/bfaw/ anti spam

EDIT::: Today in kerrat Alpha + Omega
Your Mine Explosion dealt 542 (2003) shield damage to
Your Mine Explosion dealt 502 (1855) shield damage to
Your Mine Explosion dealt 692 (2560) shield damage to .
Your Mine Explosion dealt 678 (2510) shield damage to .
Your Mine Explosion dealt 680 (2517) shield damage to
Your Mine Explosion dealt 573 (2118) shield damage to .
Your Mine Explosion deals 1707 (5068) Kinetic Damage to .
Your Mine Explosion deals 1580 (4693) Kinetic Damage to .
Your Mine Explosion deals 2181 (6476) Kinetic Damage to .
Your Mine Explosion deals 2138 (6349) Kinetic Damage to
Your Mine Explosion deals 2144 (6368) Kinetic Damage to
Your Mine Explosion deals 1804 (5359) Kinetic Damage to

15,153 Actual through shields
(31 % bleed through, 9% res by opponent)



BTW If your crying about transcluster all you have to do is use a kin res console, "oh dear no" I know its hard to understand that some ship have strength and weakness and kin consoles aren?t very popular, but you can?t have the best of both world.

Narrowing the player base to be point and shoot and all shield res would be face roll dumb having kin build be effective makes people have a better well rounded ship = better pvp.

Personally I don?t care if they fix the all crit bug, because I only drop cluster with alpha +omega ill still get 70%+ crit chance. The point I am trying to drive through all the speculative kids, is that tans cluster now or after will never be op. If you fall victim to this A. you have no kin res or B the guy shooting it is min/max kin build or C both which is unfortunate for you..
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# 49
02-04-2013, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by shaeply View Post
breen cluster is the only way how sci captain in sci ship can do some dangerous dmg in pvp nowadays. so don't nerf it.
I respectfully disagree.

My Vesta can put out a crapton of damage without using the BTCT.

Regardless, the point of a Sci isn't to make the kill on it's own (though it's very well capable of doing so), it's to set it up for the other guys.
The first we heard of getting new PvP maps "soon" was in August of 2010. We're consistently told something will be coming with the "next" update. Absolutely nothing has come to PvP since launch.

I think it's finally time Cryptic stopped stringing us along, don't you?
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# 50
02-04-2013, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by shaeply View Post
breen cluster is the only way how sci captain in sci ship can do some dangerous dmg in pvp nowadays. so don't nerf it.
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Originally Posted by mozoha View Post
Agreed with sci in sci needs BTCT. I have been using the BTCT since its' inception so having it on board is not a flavor of the month for me.

I suppose if everyone is running it now than it may be op but one could decrease mines launched or up the cool down.

Anyway my two cents... Enjoyed the discussion. My obsession for this thread has ended.
if you 2 think this crappy idea of a weapon is needed to do damage in a sci, then i have to say that you 2 are flat out wrong.

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I respectfully disagree.

My Vesta can put out a crapton of damage without using the BTCT.

Regardless, the point of a Sci isn't to make the kill on it's own (though it's very well capable of doing so), it's to set it up for the other guys.
looks like we gotta start terrorizing the que's in our vesta together man. people aint got no respect for the power of science!
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