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# 81
02-07-2013, 05:08 PM
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In Trek Humans are Terrans from Terra
Some humans were called "Terrans" on occasion, but only in the mirror universe was it commonplace.
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# 82
02-07-2013, 05:09 PM
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Toilet paper??
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I think it's safe to assume they use bidets or a high tech equivalent.
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# 83
02-07-2013, 06:23 PM
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I think it's safe to assume they use bidets or a high tech equivalent.
They have sonic showers, why not sonic bidets?
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# 84
02-07-2013, 06:46 PM
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They have sonic showers, why not sonic bidets?
well sonic bidet would be a high tech equivalent...
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# 85
02-07-2013, 06:52 PM
One set of questions I've wondered for a long time...


What's the deal with the Ambassador Class?

It was a rarely seen class of ship, yet it was the class of the flagship. But very few Ambassador's were seen on screen...so what's the deal? Why is the Excelsior class, which is modestly older than the Ambassador, the workhorse of the Federation while the "newer" class is virtually mothballed. I always assumed there was some serious design flaw in the Ambassador class, and the handful of ships in active service were either not affected by the flaw or were refit..but the refit was too prohibitive to do for the entire Ambassador fleet.

Which goes into....

The Enterprise-C was destroyed in 2344. The Enterprise-D was launched in 2363. So the Federation went without it's flagship for almost 20 years....why? The 1701 was replaced by the 1701-A within a few months. Okay, maybe it was renamed from the Yorktown. Well, the 1701-A was replaced by the 1701-B within the same year.....so why did Starfleet go without an Enterprise for nearly a whole generation?

And lastly..

I know the reasoning was the Prime Directive, but why did the Federation not come to the aid of the Bajorans during the Occupation? I get that that it was considered an "internal Cardassian matter"..but really? I have a hard time accepting that the holier than thou Federation would have allowed virtual genocide of a native people by an occupier. Being as Bajor wasn't considered a territory of Cardassia until the Occupation began...why didn't the UFP intervene when the first Bajoran refugees came into Federation space with proof of a virtual genocide? The only thing I can think of is some archaic language when Cardassians first arrvied on Bajor, so politically it was seen as an "invitation" by the Bajorans for the Cardassians to take over their whole planet..but I think that's a little weak argument.

This kinda stuff is one of my favorite little games to play with canon. Taking all the goofy little discontinuity items and "fixing" them so it fits in the larger narrative. It's fun!
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# 86
02-07-2013, 07:22 PM
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What's the deal with the Ambassador Class?

It was a rarely seen class of ship, yet it was the class of the flagship. But very few Ambassador's were seen on screen...so what's the deal? Why is the Excelsior class, which is modestly older than the Ambassador, the workhorse of the Federation while the "newer" class is virtually mothballed. I always assumed there was some serious design flaw in the Ambassador class, and the handful of ships in active service were either not affected by the flaw or were refit..but the refit was too prohibitive to do for the entire Ambassador fleet.

Which goes into....

The Enterprise-C was destroyed in 2344. The Enterprise-D was launched in 2363. So the Federation went without it's flagship for almost 20 years....why? The 1701 was replaced by the 1701-A within a few months. Okay, maybe it was renamed from the Yorktown. Well, the 1701-A was replaced by the 1701-B within the same year.....so why did Starfleet go without an Enterprise for nearly a whole generation?
Who says every Enterprise was a flagship? We know the D, E, and F were (and the NX-01 too), but Kirk's Enterprises and the Enterprise-B and -C might just have been considered normal starships in the fleet.

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I know the reasoning was the Prime Directive, but why did the Federation not come to the aid of the Bajorans during the Occupation? I get that that it was considered an "internal Cardassian matter"..but really? I have a hard time accepting that the holier than thou Federation would have allowed virtual genocide of a native people by an occupier. Being as Bajor wasn't considered a territory of Cardassia until the Occupation began...why didn't the UFP intervene when the first Bajoran refugees came into Federation space with proof of a virtual genocide? The only thing I can think of is some archaic language when Cardassians first arrvied on Bajor, so politically it was seen as an "invitation" by the Bajorans for the Cardassians to take over their whole planet..but I think that's a little weak argument.
The Feds probably did put a lot of political pressure on the Cardies. And if I remember correctly, they fought a short war in the early years of TNG.

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This kinda stuff is one of my favorite little games to play with canon. Taking all the goofy little discontinuity items and "fixing" them so it fits in the larger narrative. It's fun!
Agreed.
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# 87
02-07-2013, 07:24 PM
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One set of questions I've wondered for a long time...


What's the deal with the Ambassador Class?

It was a rarely seen class of ship, yet it was the class of the flagship. But very few Ambassador's were seen on screen...so what's the deal? Why is the Excelsior class, which is modestly older than the Ambassador, the workhorse of the Federation while the "newer" class is virtually mothballed. I always assumed there was some serious design flaw in the Ambassador class, and the handful of ships in active service were either not affected by the flaw or were refit..but the refit was too prohibitive to do for the entire Ambassador fleet.

Which goes into....

The Enterprise-C was destroyed in 2344. The Enterprise-D was launched in 2363. So the Federation went without it's flagship for almost 20 years....why? The 1701 was replaced by the 1701-A within a few months. Okay, maybe it was renamed from the Yorktown. Well, the 1701-A was replaced by the 1701-B within the same year.....so why did Starfleet go without an Enterprise for nearly a whole generation?

And lastly..

I know the reasoning was the Prime Directive, but why did the Federation not come to the aid of the Bajorans during the Occupation? I get that that it was considered an "internal Cardassian matter"..but really? I have a hard time accepting that the holier than thou Federation would have allowed virtual genocide of a native people by an occupier. Being as Bajor wasn't considered a territory of Cardassia until the Occupation began...why didn't the UFP intervene when the first Bajoran refugees came into Federation space with proof of a virtual genocide? The only thing I can think of is some archaic language when Cardassians first arrvied on Bajor, so politically it was seen as an "invitation" by the Bajorans for the Cardassians to take over their whole planet..but I think that's a little weak argument.

This kinda stuff is one of my favorite little games to play with canon. Taking all the goofy little discontinuity items and "fixing" them so it fits in the larger narrative. It's fun!
The Ambassador was probably a limited run testbed while the Excelsior was the workhorse of the fleet
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# 88
02-07-2013, 07:53 PM
24 century, and they still haven't found a cure for baldness?

Let's see someone answer THAT one. >=3

( Saying that Picard being a sex machine doesn't count, Kirk had hair and he fathered a few planets in his own special 5 year mission )
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# 89
02-07-2013, 08:01 PM
What a delightful thread.....

Here is something that bothers me all the time when I'm watching the shows..... omniscient, mind-reading communication systems...:

Sometimes they just start speaking and miraculously the computer knows exactly to whom they want to speak AND when to cut off the transmission. While they do say things like "Riker to Picard" sometimes (not very consistently though..) you often hear the whole sentence on the other end even before the actual name is spoken..... I HATE IT !

Another example...... Dr Crusher is leaning over an injured person during a ground mission, right around them, there are Riker, Geordie and Data.... After a while they decide that everyone BUT one person is going to return to the Enterprise....

And what does our dear Doctor tell the Transporter Room (although never actually dialing it, she just tips her badge...):

"Four to beam up !"

The all-knowing Transporter Guy not only beams up the correct persons without ever asking who is going and who stays, he also manages to beam Crusher and her patient right to the Sick Bay (that NO ONE ever mentioned, grrrrr)

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Klingon Captain: "I said Quiet, you idiot ! Now you broke our cloak !"
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# 90
02-07-2013, 08:08 PM
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24 century, and they still haven't found a cure for baldness?

Let's see someone answer THAT one. >=3
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