Commander
Join Date: Nov 2012
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# 51
02-09-2013, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by starkaos View Post
Admiral content is merely a name to distinguish bot fleet content from other level 60 or 70 content. It can be called something else for all I care. As far as the Admiral and Fleet Admiral title goes, if a player wants to be that, then they should not have to be the Fleet Leader or some other annoying task that severely limits it from the people that want it. It is all about choice.

Exactly. Choice. That's another reason why the default top rank title in STO should be Captain (because everyone is a ship commader in the game). However if you chose to become a leader of Captains, an Admiral, then you should have to do something a little extra to do so. It makes Admiral's true leaders of other ship commanders and makes the rank ACTUALLY mean something. A Fleet Captain title would work just fine for commanding 'bot' fleets.

All that is needed IMO is a rank indicator and maybe changing the item requirements to level instead of rank. Having an item listed with a minimum level of 40 is better than Rear Admiral, Lower Half.

Totally agreed!

The game has always separated Rank from Level, it is just not obvious. There is no possible way that a Lieutenant could command a ship. The tutorial would have to be leave Vega System and be put under the command of a different Captain. You would work up the ranks on a ship until you reach Captain where 30 levels later you finally get command of your own ship. So essentially, we go up a few ranks from Ensign to Captain in the tutorial and we stay Captain until they finally add content that seems completely different from what a Captain does and that is a personal choice.

I've always had an issue with the lower ranks getting ship command, but at least the excuse is a shortage of command personnel because of the war and at least you start with a small ship. Heck, according to JJ Abrahm's, a misfit cadet can be promoted straight to Captain after one mission -- in charge of the fleet Flagship no less! (what BS)

As far as the whole President of the Federation thing goes, it is completely impossible for any player to be it since it is an Elected Civilian position. In order for any player to be President of the Earth, they would have to retire from Starfleet and put their name in for the ballot. Might be possible for Klingons to do that, but it still seems like you give up control to your ship after the successful coup.

That's the point exactly. Having thousands of Admirals running around is rediculous - as rediculous as having rank tied to level. After Fleet Admiral, where do you go if you want to raise the level cap? Well "President of the Federation" is above Fleet Admiral..so that has to be the next step. As the OP already said - why are teams of Admirals punching Undine in the face on the frontlines? They are the ones who should be ordering other people to punch the Undine in the face - lol
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Commander
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# 52
02-09-2013, 05:58 PM
actually in the US Navy lower ranked personnel command ships....I was on a minesweeper and the command crew were CDR's and LCDR's

JFK was a LT in charge of a PT boat

the higher the rank the bigger the ship
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 53
02-09-2013, 11:22 PM
Its late in the game to demote everyone to "captain".

Its not too late for people to be adressed as whatever title they wanna be adressed as.

Levels will go up fine

I will never accept that promotion damn it!
Career Officer
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# 54
02-10-2013, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by chandlerashari View Post
Its late in the game to demote everyone to "captain".

Its not too late for people to be adressed as whatever title they wanna be adressed as.

Levels will go up fine

I will never accept that promotion damn it!
I agree that it's too late to "demote" everyone - it was too late when STO launched. That's why I suggested "grandfathering" the Admiral title for existing Admiral characters. Only newly created characters (or those who haven't earned it yet) would have their rank titles cap at 'Captain'. And even then they could still get the Admiral title if they wanted to by becoming a Fleet leader.

And as for not accepting that promotion....James T. Kirk would be proud of you!!
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Ensign
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# 55
02-10-2013, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by darkjeff View Post
Clearly Starfleet believes in handing out promotions rather than raises. My Vice Admiral still has a salary of 0 EC a month.

Did this Admiral captain the ship, or did you have an actual Captain in charge of the ship? Isn't the Admiral supposed to be in charge of the overall deployment/campaign? I'm pretty sure he didn't pick up a shotgun and lead the ground drops either.

Isn't the Federation a project in socialism?

And isn't "Captain", where being in charge of a ship is concerned, an arbitrary term that can be applied to whomever happened to be the head without respect for a pay-grade rank?
Commander
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# 56
02-10-2013, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by smki View Post

And isn't "Captain", where being in charge of a ship is concerned, an arbitrary term that can be applied to whomever happened to be the head without respect for a pay-grade rank?
yes it is an arbitrary term for anyone in command of a ship and also a pay-grade rank.
Lieutenant
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# 57 To Explain my Interpretation.
04-03-2013, 06:45 PM
As I see it, we are looking at a major event in the new seasons and updates to come. The ranking issues and all that are explained this way because there was such events as many chancellors, admirals and whatnot all fighting together. The Wolf 359 incident. Need we all argue about something that may expound on this such as a Federation Wide event? What if the whole Quadrant came under attack? Did you all forget the TOS crew were ALL admirals at one time flying on the ship? I don't understand why you all argue that They wouldn't be in the same place when the movie clearly showed Kirk getting demoted for failing to do orders and the others staying Admiral. I just wanted to throw it out there that to stop a person from gaining the same rank/class name as another older character shows outright favoritism and new players would not stay. As this is the generation for keeping the game at large online, maybe a little less squabble and a little more suggestion on what you would like to see in the near future would be more helpful. When they ask a question and all you do is complain, they spend time fixing the complaints and not doing what was originally asked. If you want a better environment or content or gameplay setting, help them by giving honest imput as though they are across the table from you and treat them with the respect they deserve. They work longer hours than you play to create this for you to enjoy. I am here to say thank you to all the staff for all their hard work and impressive dedication. WOW used to take 3 months to update servers and was shut down for longer for a critical failure. I see you take care of your issues within days. That, to me is customer service and the reason I stay. Thank you again.
Career Officer
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Posts: 316
# 58
04-03-2013, 07:47 PM
I don't know if I'd feel like I was being demoted as long as my level stayed the same. I don't even think rank should be displayed next to your level at the top. However doing certain things in the game like with the accolades should allow you to have titles. I always felt you should get your first ship after 5 or so levels into the game and then you unlock the Captain title as you are quickly worked up to that rank to help the Federation / KDF etc.

In the future we could look forward to a title of Fleet Captain which when they allow us to be in control of a small fleet of ships, it would be unlocked via a mission. Other titles like the Admiral ones I think should be unlocked via being in a fleet if you have been made one of the Admiral ranks.

Finally, they need to rename the ranks a bit. Rear Admiral UH & LH just doesn't sound right and in my opinion should have been Commodore & Rear Admiral.

In the end they could separate it into Ranks (Capt / Fleet Capt & Fleet Ranks) & Accolade Titles which is displayed on your information with the option of displaying it next to your name.


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Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 586
# 59
04-04-2013, 12:50 PM
Amen to the OP. The Levels should be independent from the Ranks. Shoving in a increase with levels again tied with ranks will just make it worse in the long run.

Apparently not even Cryptic likes the Admiralageddon in STO and denies its existence in promotional STO work: http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=809441
Captain
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# 60
04-04-2013, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by theanothername View Post
Apparently not even Cryptic likes the Admiralageddon in STO and denies its existence in promotional STO work: http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=809441
In this case, Captain refers to anyone that controls a ship. In other words, any character that finished the tutorial. We are not Admirals until we do Admiral activities and that requires commanding more than one ship either by using something similar to the Doff Assignments system or having other npc ships under your control to fight with you in combat.
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