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# 131
02-08-2013, 12:55 PM
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1. JJ bashing will not stop new people from checking out the free 2 play game.
When they get here and see all the JJ bashing, for a movie that may be a movie they totally dug, they can get turned off from the game. I've seen it happen in the many years I've posted and read the forums.

What happens is you get a fanbase that likes the new stuff. And they play this game, which hates what they like and a development team that launches a two-pronged attack of fail against what they like ...

1- They are unable to offer the players anything related to the new movies that they like. Due to licensing restrictions.
2- The dev team themselves tend to like the 1980s era movies, and TNG more than anything linked to the Kirk era. As seen by stuff like the Excelsior and Ambassador being top tier ships. But anything actually linked to Kirk gets lost at the lower tiers.

So many people who like Kirk, his crew, and the new JJ take on it, get pummeled into frustration on these forums. And the game itself offers them a new Jem'Hadar ship as a lotto lockbox long before it will offer them anything Kirk-centric.

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3. Explain the red matter console which was in JJTrek and why was it a pre-order item for STO.
The Red Matter Capacitor does what in the game? Red Matter in the Star Trek movie did what? The only thing in common between them is the phrase "red matter."


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Why was JJSpock doing VO work in STO?
Zachary Quinto as the Emergency Medical Hologram? What? Or do you mean Nimoy doing the introduction to the game and the sector descriptions?


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4. CBS is very specific what makes it into the game, We all know this and DStahl says it all the time. Like this is new to anyone reading this? Unless they are new to the free 2 play game... of which I am not.
And Paramount owns the JJ Trek. Not CBS. Paramount. They are not CBS. The JJ Trek has its own video game.


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This IP is about to get popular again as many people will go see the movie. Cryptic is advertising STO on MMORPG.com and the main Star Trek website. Movie goers can and will connect the dots.
They go see a movie, and then come play a game that is nothing like the movie they liked, with a playerbase that bashes the movie they liked, and filled with items and ships and stories that continually, due to licensing issues or dev team preference, hinge on an era that is nowhere near the Kirk era of the movie.

It's like going to see Star Wars The Empire Strikes Back and then going to play Star Wars: The Old Republic. Except at least there, the playerbase will not bash Episode V, and the dev team keeps pushing items into the game that remind you of Episode V be it a lightsaber or the cartel market outfit that looks reminiscent of Han Solo's.

This game though, won't cater to people who like the JJ Abrams Kir or Kirk's enterprise.
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# 132
02-10-2013, 04:40 PM
1. People come to play a game. Not play a sensitive fanboy unlike others. Most new players will be in the game and not on the forums. Am sure they will understand that most opinions are just that and will not read too much into what others have to say, good or bad, about the movie.

I can't imagine people will quit a game because someone dissed a movie that they may have or may have not liked. Gameplay, bugs, and how the game design relates to the ST universe will be the criteria for staying/ leaving rather than some forum ramblings.

2. Guess that point made it across to you as you did not reference it.

3. Whatever the red matter device's function, it was PRESENT in the movie and MADE it's way into the game so that disproves what you said earlier.

JJSPock's VO was a nod to the movie from the game. Guess you missed that. Quelle suprise!

4. CBS owns the Intellectual Property rights. Paramount owns the movie licensing. Just like how Disney owns Marvel as an IP and Paramount the movie rights. That's ok if you do not understand what IP holders are. Most people really don't.

I never said this game was about to catering to the JJTreker. I just said that the movie will promote interest in all things Star Trek aka make the IP popular again. It has no bearing on how un-JJTrek STO is.
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# 133
02-10-2013, 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by linyive View Post
Subjective. As someone who has been a "Star Trek" fan for thirty years, I have seen many games fail regardless of a movie release. Second, "Star Trek: Into Darkness" already has a direct tie-in game, which is scheduled to be released in the first quarter. April 23, 2013.
Games fail on their own merits or lack of... and for what they fail to deliver to an expectant playerbase. Bad design, bugs, poor customer service, etc. Like you, I got just as much water under the bridge and have seen every ST movie in theater.

Never said that the new ST movie was going to be tied into STO. That new FPS has that covered, like you said. I saw that news on ST.com just like I see STO there.

The new movie is just going to create new buzz around the IP as a whole. Name branding in other words.

Again, Cryptic would be stupid to not take advantage of a new ST movie and help ride it's coat-tails. Not saying direct movie tie-ins but jumping on social media and internet advertising to help promote the MMO. hashtag star trek just needs to add an "online" in order to do it.
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# 134
02-10-2013, 05:30 PM
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Games fail on their own merits and for what they fail to deliver to an expectant playerbase. Bad design, bugs, poor customer service, etc. Like you, I got just as much water under the bridge and have seen every ST movie in theater.

Never said that the new ST movie was going to be tied into STO. That new FPS has that covered, like you said. I saw that news on ST.com just like I see STO there.

The new movie is just going to create new buzz around the IP as a whole. Name branding in other words.

Again, Cryptic would be stupid to not take advantage of a new ST movie and help ride it's coat-tails. Not saying direct movie tie-ins but jumping on social media and internet advertising to help promote the MMO. hashtag star trek just needs to add an "online" in order to do it.
Like it has been said, the licensing is a big issue, the other obvious issue is it's an alternative reality, the stuff that happens in the 2009 and the new movie simply never happened (or happened differently) in the prime universe. You simply can't intertwine the happenings of the two realities together because some happenings will exclude the other ones since they happen at the same place/time and they were done by the same people.

To put it simple, there wouldn't be any sense of putting JJ stuff in this game because they would either have to be a low-tier specific, and thus, not end-game ships they couldn't price up (even in case if they would bring the ships for example as a form of some alt reality ships/lockboxes et cetera despite the enormous ammount of money they would have to pay for licencing one to another company for the minority of players) or if they'd do them end-game ships a large portion of the players wouldn't like them (plus the fact that wouldn't make sense, a strongest Fed ship in the game an alternative reality connie? cheesy).

So don't get your hopes high of ever seeing anything from JJ-verse coming to this game.
That does not, of course, exclude that the JJ reality might come in form of another MMO game, but I don't see Cryptic doing it, undercutting the number of their own players they have in a game already just to push them to the other game, specifically because, as far as I know, it has been said many times that the older Star Trek fans are a majority at the moment. (And judging from the fact Federation as a majority of players in this game have lot more content then their minority brothers Klingons, I think it is safe to say Cryptic playes on the majority-card), I don't think Cryptic would loose all it's players to capture a portion of that number catering to the minority.


Just my opinion though.
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# 135
02-10-2013, 05:38 PM
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Just my opinion though.
Thanks for sharing on the matter!

I was not trying to say Cryptic would add new content based on the new JJTrek movie. Just that it would be a good time to name brand and hook the odd, NEW ST fan into trying out STO.

Most likely, the new film-goers will check out ST.com and see that STO is being talked about there and try out the game.

Kinda like how the last movie got me interested in ST again and was the main reason I pre-ordered STO. Wasn't able to try out beta due to rl stuff but the movie planted a seed, for me. Am sure this might happen for others as well.
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# 136
02-10-2013, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by user839020189287 View Post
Thanks for sharing on the matter!

I was not trying to say Cryptic would add new content based on the new JJTrek movie. Just that it would be a good time to name brand and hook the odd, NEW ST fan into trying out STO.

Most likely, the new film-goers will check out ST.com and see that STO is being talked about there and try out the game.

Kinda like how the last movie got me interested in ST again and was the main reason I pre-ordered STO. Wasn't able to try out beta due to rl stuff but the movie planted a seed, for me. Am sure this might happen for others as well.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure peeps will stumble upon STO sooner or later, it's not the most famous MMO, but it's pretty well known, even to MMO players in general, not only to ST fans. The guys have FB/Twitter pages with lots of talking in, so that's moving in new players as well.

I do guess STO could be advertised more, but even at the moment we have a pretty good income of new players, and it's been more or less going strong since the introduction to F2P.
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# 137
02-10-2013, 06:20 PM
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure peeps will stumble upon STO sooner or later, it's not the most famous MMO, but it's pretty well known, even to MMO players in general, not only to ST fans. The guys have FB/Twitter pages with lots of talking in, so that's moving in new players as well.

I do guess STO could be advertised more, but even at the moment we have a pretty good income of new players, and it's been more or less going strong since the introduction to F2P.
Definitely agree!

Throwing a bone in the form of a Game advertisement during the trailers at the movies would almost certainly help guide things along, also.

Not saying that it will happen but that if possible, would be good timing and optimal.

Am foreseeing new blood coming but whether they stay or not is another thing entirely.
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# 138
02-10-2013, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by user839020189287 View Post
Definitely agree!

Throwing a bone in the form of a Game advertisement during the trailers at the movies would almost certainly help guide things along, also.

Not saying that it will happen but that if possible, would be good timing and optimal.

Am foreseeing new blood coming but whether they stay or not is another thing entirely.
Definitely it would. But advertisement like that can cost 100s of thousands of dollars though.
I'm not saying PWE couldn't muster that kind of money, just saying they probably won't, though.
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# 139
02-10-2013, 06:47 PM
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So don't get your hopes high of ever seeing anything from JJ-verse coming to this game.
That does not, of course, exclude that the JJ reality might come in form of another MMO game, but I don't see Cryptic doing it, undercutting the number of their own players they have in a game already just to push them to the other game, specifically because, as far as I know, it has been said many times that the older Star Trek fans are a majority at the moment. (And judging from the fact Federation as a majority of players in this game have lot more content then their minority brothers Klingons, I think it is safe to say Cryptic playes on the majority-card), I don't think Cryptic would loose all it's players to capture a portion of that number catering to the minority.

Just my opinion though.
I actually have my hopes high of never seeing anything form JJ Trek coming to this game. Cryptic not doing it was one of their smarter moves.

May the force be with our friends SW fans, since I believe that logic & franchise will be long gone.

P.S. I believe the new JJ Trek has the potential to bring people to STO if Cryptic promotes the game as it should and I don't expect those people to be driven off the game just because is not JJ Trek. It's a Star Trek MMO, noone can expect to literally re-live the same events and stories from any ST movie.
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# 140
02-10-2013, 07:05 PM
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Definitely it would. But advertisement like that can cost 100s of thousands of dollars though.
I'm not saying PWE couldn't muster that kind of money, just saying they probably won't, though.
Look how much money gets thrown at 30 second ad spots during the quote-super bowl-unquote... but I totally agree.

Whatever it cost PWE would be chump change but they are probably more focused on making money rather than spending it, like you said.
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