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# 11
02-11-2013, 08:24 AM
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So, as before I do believe that the treaty with the romulans is null and void.
The Federation Presiden does not agree with you.

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It took three months for Federation President Aennik Okeg to convince the Romulans and the Klingons to send representatives to a summit to discuss the situation.
When the meeting finally began, Okeg made the Federation's position clear.
He apologized for the experiments into cloaking technology, and said that he had signed an executive order banning all research into or creation of Federation cloaking technology.
"The narrow legal view may be that the Treaty of Algeron ended when Romulus was destroyed," Okeg said. "The Romulan Star Empire we knew is gone, and you are a new people. What has not changed is the Federation's commitment to peace."
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# 12
02-11-2013, 09:57 AM
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Hiding like a coward is not honorable. Plot convenience.
Refer to the quote in my sig.
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# 13
02-11-2013, 10:29 AM
Honestly, give cloaking devices to every faction and be done with it. Once they do that, the over-rated usefulness of cloaks will sink in.

You can beat the canon horse to death but STO is NOT Canon and it should be damn obvious Cryptic shot that horse when the game launched. They only use the Canon card when it suits their position.

As for the CBS card - Try again, Cryptic are literally allowing Starfleet to fly non-Federation ships so its a bit stupid to allow THAT but not allow people to become invisible.

Cloaking = Devices of War
Anyone who thinks like this is a complete moron, the Federation IS at war with almost everyone so why wouldnt the Federation use them ?

The Romulans arent in much of a position to do much and if they try, they end up screwing themselves in the process at a time when they are already weakened. Not to mention the game already has a reputation system showing the Romulans giving you access to their technology.

Oh right, the Romulans trust you enough to give you their weapons, consoles and even call in Romulan ships to assist you... but they wont give you a cloaking device because... ummm ?
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# 14
02-11-2013, 11:05 AM
Is it me , or is there always a new.. give feds cloak, post every 3 days on here!

Yeah, give everyone cloaks! It would be a great PvP match with EVERYONE cloaked, or woo hoo Ker'rat.. everyone's invisible!

Can't you feds play as feds for a change and stop whining for cloaks? It truly is getting OLD
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# 15
02-11-2013, 11:18 AM
Its very obviuos some in this thread know absolutely nothing about the federation, thier history, ideals or possibly what it even means to be a fed and why they keep thier word when given.

This subject has already been discussed, rationalized and shot down ad nausieum. Its time to kick dirt on it and let stay dead.
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# 16
02-11-2013, 11:36 AM
I didn't say anything of an Advanced Cloaking Device like the one used on the B'rel BoP. I just said a Cloaking Device. The one used on the Federation Defiant-class Advanced Escort Retrofit. It is a removable console that takes up a console slot. The ones on the KDF BoPs is a device that is built in to the starship design. In fact if anyone has seen blue prints of the Bird of Prey, on the command pod it is the part of the ship that appears to circle the upper section of that pod and appears as a crown-like structure. This device draws power directly from the ships power core and requires so much power that the starship cannot operate its shields or weapons while under cloak. The BoP in the movies that was able to fire while under cloak had a secondary warp core installed where the whales was store in the movie "Voyage Home".

I am asking that the cloaking device console for that comes with the Federation Defiant-class Advanced Escort Retrofit has its restrictions lifted. Or as a secondary item, the Cloaking Device could be placed as an unlockable console that a player could obtain from the Reputation system and purchase in the Reputation store. This device would then be available for use on any starship and by any faction, even those KDF starships that doesn't have the device.

So I am not just giving the Federation something here. I am also giving something to those KDF starships that doesn't have the Cloaking Device. I would love to have my Breen Chel Grett come in under cloak, uncloak and do a massive alpha strike as it powers over the enemy and gets out of range only to reengage the cloak.

I do agree that the KDF be "honorable" warriors would not "hide" under such a device to only come out and backstab its target in the back. This device really doesn't go with the KDF's position of honor. An honorable fight is where two combatants face each other and slug it out until one wins and the other loses. Use of a cloaking device is the "Romulan Way" of subterfuge and and way of an assassin.

Saying that New Romulus doesn't have the means to mass produce Cloaking Devices is in error. What do you thing the Vault is for. It is big enough to be a research facility and shipyard for New Romulus until they construct such facilities. Therefore, mass production of the cloaking device is possible for the Romulans and Remans.

I am just hoping that when the Romulan faction is released, they give all of t he Romulans the Advanced Battle Cloak. After all, they was the ones to create it anyway.

And as a closing note. Several past Fiction literature about the Federation stated that even prior to Kirks theft of the cloaking device, the Federation was already undertaking research to allow their starships to be able to "disappear" from sensors. Kirks theft of the device gave them a working model to use for this research. So it is very probable that the Federation already has the means to construct the Cloaking Device, but due to their Democratic, Bureaucratic and Pacifistic nature, they don't want to anger the Romulans who has the device on such a grand scale that invasion of the federation would be possible. But since the collapse of the Romulan Star Empire all of these stands on the Cloak Device would be voided and construction of Federation starships would be undertaken so Star Fleet could counter the ever growing Klingon treat.

I think I have meet my point in several ways
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# 17
02-11-2013, 11:42 AM
And I really agree with causality effect's point of view.
The Romulans give access to all of their other technology, send Bridge Officers and Duty Officers to serve on other factions starships. Why not give the Cloaking Device also and a Plasma Quad Cannon with it. They have given their best technology, Reman/Romulun Space Sets and the experimental Romulan beam array and Hyper Plasma Torpedo.
So get real. Just allow the Federation and Klingons to put the device on all of their starships.
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# 18
02-11-2013, 11:54 AM
I was kidding.

Klingons purchased the tech a century ago, the Feds by treaty agreed to not research it.
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# 19
02-11-2013, 11:56 AM
What I disagree with is that the Federation cloaking devices are remove able consoles that take up a slot. They should be integral like the KDFs. Only the Galaxy X and Defiant should have a standard cloaking device.
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# 20
02-11-2013, 11:58 AM
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What I disagree with is that the Federation cloaking devices are remove able consoles that take up a slot. They should be integral like the KDFs. Only the Galaxy X and Defiant should have a standard cloaking device.
Now this would be fair.

I was surprised when it was made a console.
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